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And for the record I'm aware a lot (but not all) of it's just by one faggot. (Looking at you 96.237.X.X; don't think I've forgotten your past bullshit) If you start posting Malaysia threads or some shit instead, I'm just going to nuke every single one of your posts whenever you spam, replies included.

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So are all other China posts/threads going to be deleted?

Newer threads, yes. I'll probably lock others.

If this sticky stays as empty as I think it's going to, I'll take it down and just have a ban on china local news.

Are you mad? What have you done? You'll cut posting on here in half!!

Anti-China News is what sets us apart now that /new/ is back.

>Anti-China News is what sets us apart now that /new/ is back.

And now we have an entire thread dedicated to it.

>Anti-China News is what sets us apart now that /new/ is back.
No, it's what's ruining this board. Thank you Anonex, apparently we're all too retarded/full of trolls to not respond to obvious trollbait.

Just gotta say thanks for making this thread Anonex, the shit's really getting out of hand these days.

At least 18 provinces, including big cities like Beijing and Shenzhen, have increased the minimum wage by an average of 20 percent from Thursday as officials hint cheap labor may no longer be considered China’s sole competitive edge.

Jiangsu province was the first to increase its minimum wage this year, ushering in the beginning of a nationwide wave that will be followed by 27 provinces and municipalities by the end of this year, the First Financial Daily reported.

Sun Qunyi, an expert with Wage Research Institute at the Ministry of Human Resources and Social Security, said this round of wage increases is compensation to low-income workers since the global economic crisis froze wages in 2009.

The share of personal income in China's gross domestic product has fallen to 39.7 percent in 2005 from 56.5 percent in 1983, statistics released by All-China Federation of Trade Unions showed. Wage increases were also far behind the economic growth.

Despite the increase, the minimum wage is still quite low compared with the average wage level. The average wage in Hainan was 2,077 yuan, but the minimum wage stood only at 630 yuan.

Amid worries that the wage increase may add to the company's operations costs and end China's status as a low-wage manufacturer, Yao Jian, a spokesman with the Ministry of Commerce, explained that China's attraction to foreign investors is not all about cheap labor force, but includes a great market and a complete industry chain.

Yao also said that the wage increase is both in accordance with the government’s efforts to adjust industrial policy and to assist more people to share the achievements of economic development.

Lu Ning, chief commentator of The Shanghai-based Oriental Morning Post, thought the wage increase will not force foreigner-owned companies to pull out China, but can help different regions in China to adjust the economic structure.

The latest round of wage increases also happened after a series of strikes for higher pay at foreign-owned factories, and an expectation of increasing income among Chinese young migrant workers.

A couple in a village in South China's Guangdong province has devoted themselves to 10 adopted children, even though they are both jobless and the husband has a walking disability, the local Guangzhou Daily reported Friday.

The couple, both in their 30s, take care of eight girls and two boys, who are between 3 and 17 years old, and their own 2-year-old son. They live in a rented three-story building, which cost them 1,200 yuan ($180) a month, in a remote rural area in Guangdong.

The big family. [Photo/Guangzhou Daily]
The big family has been living on their savings and other people's donations.

The mother was deeply touched by a book that portrays the good deeds of a Western nun in 1998. Since then, she has been interested in finding homeless children. In 2005, she took her first step in setting up the big family by adopting her first child in Chongqing.

After that she came across a man named Zhang Zhongliang on the Internet. Zhang suffered from a walking disability after an illness at the age of 23. The two later got married, but with her condition that Zhang must accept her adopted child, which was just fine with him.

The education of the children was carried out by the couple themselves in an American-style homeschooling.

The father, who studied traditional Chinese medicine, and the middle school graduate mother teach the children about how to be a good and diligent person, in addition to the normal lessons including Chinese, mathematics, music and English.

The children start their lessons at 9:00 am every day. Lessons in the morning include Chinese, music and English. They would also have 25 minutes to do housework during the morning session. After taking dancing, calligraphy and painting lessons in the afternoon, they have plenty of time to play.

Hot weather hinders firefighting in north China forest

HUZHONG, Heilongjiang -- More than 20,000 firemen are battling lighting-triggered forest fires in north China as continuous hot weather undermines their efforts, forest fire prevention authorities said.

The fire spotted Saturday continued to spread Wednesday due to high temperatures after having weakened overnight, Sun Zhagen, deputy director of China's National Forest Fire Prevention Headquarters, said.

The forest fire in the Greater Hinggan Mountains in Heilongjiang Province.
More fire fighters and equipment will be sent to control the fire, Sun said.

"As it is too hot to get close to the scene to put out the fire, we have to build fire barriers during the day and battle the blaze at night," said Pang Zhiqiang, a forest policeman.

Temperatures in the Greater Hinggan Mountains Region have been over 37 degrees Celsius recently and seven counties and districts have witnessed record-high temperatures.

Temperatures in Huzhong District hit 39.7 degrees Celsius Saturday, said Na Jihai, the provincial meteorological bureau's chief.

Precipitation from winter to spring was 45 percent lower average, Na said.

Two helicopters were dispatched to conduct artificial precipitation operations but failed.

The dry and hot weather will continue for the next three days, according to the National Meteorological Center of China Meteorological Administration.

"This is a battle between human beings and nature. We have to work hard to win," Sun said.




You have got to be kidding me.

Better one sticky than the entire front page of china.

>Looking at you 96.237.X.X; don't think I've forgotten your past bullshit

What else did he do? Was it the political cartoon spammer?


Oh God I'm loling my ass off. But finally, ISN and gweilofag will have to keep this China shit confined to one thread, we can finally discuss Jews and niggers again without them tediously responding to and bumping every single fucking China thread.

>implying they wont now discuss other news articles.

Anonex, what about threads that are obviously posted to troll "gweilos"?

I have a feeling we'll be needing an Oakland sticky soon...


I was sitting here a bit bored and tried out looking up some IP ranges. Looks like the 96.237.X.X range is generally for Massachusetts, United States.

If you want to see what's wrong with Africa, take a trip to the Democratic Republic of Congo. The size of Western Europe, with almost no paved roads, Congo is the sucking vortex where Africa's heart should be. Independent Congo gave the world Mobutu Sese Seko, who for 32 years impoverished his people while traveling the world in a chartered Concorde. His death in 1997 ushered in a civil war that killed 5.4 million people and unleashed a hurricane of rape on tens of thousands more. Today AIDS and malaria are epidemics. Congo, then, is not a place you'd normally associate with a yuppie.
Tell that to Mathis Xu, 26, a manager at a Chinese state construction company whom I met last year. As a languages student in Beijing, Xu took French to be different — and different is what he got. In April 2008, he was selected to translate for the Congolese government and the state-owned China Railway Engineering Corp. (CREC) in negotiations over a $9 billion deal. CREC and others would build thousands of kilometers of roads and railways, 32 hospitals, 145 health centers and two universities — an investment of $6 billion in the kind of infrastructure Congo desperately needs. As partial payment, China would receive $3 billion in concessions to mine the copper and cobalt essential to its growing industries. When the deal was struck that month, Xu found himself posted to Kinshasa as CREC's liaison with the government. "We will transform this city," he exclaims, watching CREC's giant road builders level a hillside in Kinshasa next to the Congo River. "It will be fantastic!"

As more than 300 political figures, business leaders and champions of civil society gather in Cape Town for a forum sponsored by TIME and our corporate cousins at Fortune and CNN, China's role in Africa will be a key part of the discussions. Notwithstanding the Great Recession, many observers think the African economy is poised for great things. Fueled by a commodities boom, the continent's output grew 5% to 7% in both 2007 and '08 and even managed 2% growth in 2009. China is not the only nation that has noticed opportunities in Africa, but it is the one that has taken them most seriously, in ways that may change not just the region's economic landscape but its political one too.
The ambition, speed and scale of Chinese involvement in Africa is extraordinary. According to Chris Alden, author of China in Africa, two-way trade stood at $10 billion in 2000. By 2006, it was $55 billion, and in 2009 it hit $90 billion, making China Africa's single largest trading partner, supplanting the U.S., which did $86 billion in trade with Africa in 2009. Today the Chinese are pumping oil from Sudan to Angola, logging from Liberia to Gabon, mining from Zambia to Ghana and farming from Kenya to Zimbabwe. Chinese contractors are building roads from Equatorial Guinea to Ethiopia, dams from the Congo to the Nile, and hospitals and schools, sports stadiums and presidential palaces across the continent. They are buying too. Acquisitions range from a $5.5 billion stake in South Africa's Standard Bank to a $14 million investment in a mobile-phone company in Somalia.

Beijing insists it is a partner in Africa's development, delivering investment and gaining a new market for its products and new access to resources. Western business leaders say China is on a resource grab. They worry that it is playing unfairly, undercutting them by paying low wages; skirting standards on safety, the environment and human rights; and coordinating commerce, assistance and diplomacy in ways impossible, not to say illegal, in the West. The truth is somewhere in between. To the extent that China is using Africa as an experiment — to try out ideas of how it might be in the world — it is worthy of close study. To do that, we must answer two questions: How is China changing Africa? And how is Africa changing China?
Let's go back to Kinshasa. Congo's got problems. The Western way of helping has been with aid — multilateral, bilateral or through self-funding religious groups and NGOs. To stem fighting in the east, Congo has a 21,000-strong U.N. peacekeeping force, MONUC, the biggest in the world. These efforts have had mixed success. The war hasn't ended, and the world's loans to Congo have helped fuel corruption. Little has been done to address Congo's infrastructure. Coordinating aid among so many groups and nations remains difficult.
Enter China. Beijing doesn't do gifts; it does deals. In Congo, China's infrastructure-for-mines deal irked the International Monetary Fund (IMF). The IMF argued that Congo's guarantee to China that it would recoup at least $3 billion in minerals was an IOU on Congo's national assets and therefore a new debt. That fell afoul of debt-write-off conditions, which require that the debtor take on no new loans. "If the Congolese take the Chinese deal," said a Western official familiar with the negotiations in mid-2009, "they will not get any more [Western] support." A standoff ensued. An earlier deal, in 2007 with Angola, had also outraged the IMF, which had been negotiating a new loan with Angola for years, with carefully calibrated conditions to block corruption and alleviate poverty. By paying Luanda $5 billion in return for oil concessions and infrastructure contracts, China effectively made the IMF redundant. Diplomats across Africa like to say the continent offers space for everyone. But what's happening in Angola and Congo is a new scramble for Africa. Xu, the translator, has no doubt that he is engaged in an intense rivalry. "Not everybody is pleased to see us here, that's for sure. But we are not going to lose."
For all the heat, IMF officials admit that the Chinese model for African development has some advantages. First, it's quick. Loan talks with multilateral agencies take years. The China-Angola discussions took weeks. "With the West, there are studies, analyses and bureaucracy," says the Western official. "The Chinese just ask what the government wants, and they don't question or comment or judge. They just do it." China also works as visibly as it does quickly. Drive across almost any African country today, and you'll find Chinese engineers by the side of the road, sleeves rolled up, overseeing work crews. IMF officials in suits crunching numbers inside air-conditioned compounds just don't have the same kind of dash. "What we do is always in the shade," complains an IMF staffer in Africa. "Macroeconomic stability — what is that? You can't show it on camera."

The Asian model of development is looking increasingly attractive in ways beyond aid. African governments look at Western economic instability over the past two years and find a better model in Asia's extraordinary growth. Special economic zones, one of the engines of China's growth for two decades, are popping up across the continent. But what really distinguishes Chinese businesspeople from their Western rivals in Africa is how risk-happy they seem. Barely a month goes by without the announcement of a new billion-dollar investment in one of the world's least stable countries. The latest? A stunning $23 billion deal in May to rebuild Nigeria's oil-refining capacity. For Chinese businesses, having the backing of a rich state that packages aid with commerce and has an extended time horizon cuts risk significantly. Wu Zexian, Chinese ambassador to Congo, elaborates on this new model of development assistance. "Before, African countries never profited from their resources. Now they help them build infrastructure. Other countries say, This country has a lot of problems. We say, This country has huge potential." The key is long-term vision. "Yes, there is a risk," says Wu. "But in 50 years, we will still be here. So will Congo and the mines. Short term: sure, problems. Long term: not much risk."
So how is Africa changing China? In 2005, 49 workers died in an accident at a Chinese mining-explosives factory in Chambishi, Zambia. Populist opposition leader Michael Sata accused the government of selling out the country to Beijing, a stance that earned him wide support in the 2006 and '08 elections. His views on China are colorful and expressed in terms that many Chinese would find deeply offensive. "In every part of Zambia, the Chinaman is there, packed eight to a room," he says at his office in Lusaka. "What the Chinaman is doing, nobody knows."

Zambia is just one country in Africa where China's presence has provoked criticism. In South Africa, China found itself rebutting warnings from former President Thabo Mbeki about a new "colonial relationship." In Ethiopia, China had to take sides in a separatist conflict in April 2007 when Ogaden National Liberation Front rebels killed 74 workers, nine of whom were Chinese, at a Chinese oil-field installation. The same year, a Chinese engineer was killed in an attack on a stone-material plant in Mombasa, Kenya, and Chinese oil workers have been kidnapped by rebels in Nigeria. Chinese migrants fought pitched battles with Algerians in their capital, Algiers, last year.
So China is trying to explain itself. Chinese bankers, academics and diplomats now take star turns at economic summits across the continent. "There is a mistrust of China," says Wu. "We have to speak to be understood." China has done more than just speak. It has also, in some cases, abandoned its long-standing policy of noninterference in the internal affairs of sovereign states. Liu Guijin, China's special representative to Africa and its top diplomat on the continent, calls himself a "political troubleshooter" and says he spends a lot of time in Sudan mediating the conflict in Darfur. That sounds like a definite departure. "Perhaps we are having a flexible interpretation of noninterference," Liu replies with a laugh. After an earlier reluctance, China is now the fourth largest contributor of troops to peacekeeping operations; its soldiers are on the ground in Liberia, Sudan and Congo as part of U.N. operations.

One man's flexibility can be another's willingness to do deals with anyone. But China is becoming more sensitive to that criticism too. In Zimbabwe, China is often accused of helping keep Robert Mugabe in power. Not so, contends a senior member of the Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) Party, who says China went to "huge lengths" to ensure that MDC Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai, not Mugabe, got credit for a new $950 million loan in July 2009.
Mirroring the changes taking place in China itself, China's relationship with Africa is "changing and maturing month by month as both parties better understand each other," says Geoffrey White, CEO of the trans-African conglomerate Lonrho. It was that spirit that persuaded China to drop details in its Congo deal that the IMF found objectionable as well as cut the infrastructure part of the deal from $6 billion to $3 billion. Liu says that while China and the West have "different priorities, different approaches and different ways of doing things, we need China and [the West] to make efforts to align their interests and policies."
There are limits to how far China will go. It will continue to pursue warm relations with all African countries, whether they are democracies or dictatorships, partly because each African country represents a potential vote against Taiwan's efforts to gain diplomatic recognition. China's commitment to nonintervention also remains strong; it has, for example, not supported the International Criminal Court in its attempts to prosecute Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir for war crimes.
For all the tangled tale of aid, investment and diplomacy, what China has really brought to Africa is a change in the way the rest of the world thinks of the continent. China has helped transform the idea of Africa from a destination for charity to a place for business. In 2006, for the first time, flows of foreign direct investment (FDI) into Africa were greater than the amount of aid — $48 billion of FDI, vs. $40 billion of aid, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. And the numbers keep growing. In 2008, according to the U.N. trade body UNCTAD, FDI hit $88 billion. "Trade, not aid" is the new mantra of influential African leaders like Rwandan President Paul Kagame.
China's largesse, whatever the explanations for its arrival in Africa, has left a mark. As the representative of the Zambian Mineworkers Union at the Chambishi complex where the 49 workers died, Mwinbe Stanslas, 45, might be expected to sound a note of caution about China's expansion. He does not. "I've worked for the British, the Americans, a Jew and the Swiss," he says. "They all closed. The way the Chinese are investing, they're not leaving. My boy will get a job in this mine, and his boy after him. China is taking over. And I tell you, it's a blessing.",28804,2000110_2000287_2000276-2,00.html#ixzz0sZrOgqM3

Great Wall Chinese Restaurant has reopened after undergoing renovations.

The main dining room looks austere by oriental standards, but the manager says they are still to put in the finishing touches and we can presumably expect the typical gaudy appearance soon.

Obviously more than a few regulars are still unaware that The Great Wall is back in business and it was half empty during this week’s Wednesday peak lunch period.

Upon entering, I was accosted by a very friendly waiter who saw me to the desired table in some dim corner, where I could observe without being the centre of attraction.

I think someone has given all waiters an instruction to "smile, smile and smile" or they just pick up the ones with ready smiles in the first place.

Being a cold day, I could not stomach the thought of a cold drink in my hand, and asked for some green tea, while I studied the menu and made my choice. It was just the perfect day for a soup. I did not need any heartwarming, but any addition to the body heat would certainly be welcome.

Thought of the watery and gingery Won Ton held no appeal.

Chicken noodles soup, I decided, would be just the thing. The soup was rather plain of sight and plain of taste.

I would hazard a guess that the recipe goes something like, "make a paste of cornflour and cold water, bring to the boil, add a few chunks of chicken breasts, toss in a bit of boiled noodles, no seasoning and serve hot".

I slurped away and discovered that the soup actually grows on you, and as you eat it becomes slightly more enjoyable with a hint of some barely there ingredients which are too nebulous to identify. But I personally will not be ordering it again any time soon, I really prefer a soup that is punchy.

After a lengthy discourse with the very patient waiter, I settled on duck chop suey with plain chow mein. I did not have long to wait before the loaded plates were presented. I wish someone would tell the Chinese Restaurants that it is conceivable for someone to have lunch alone and that it is not a social aberration to serve single portions!

And that it would be a nice thing if they did not assume that all the barbarians who come calling are unable to use chop sticks and must be presented with western cutlery.

Try eating pasta out of a cup using a fork and you will understand my frustration at having to request for chopsticks all the time. The duck chop suey was lovely with the cubed duck pieces cooked to a point where the thick skin was nice and tender. The vegetables were plentiful and still crisp. The noodles were fried rather than plain, and I ended up with more grease than I would have liked.

There was plenty of choice for dessert, with things like baked or fried bananas served with cream.

I virtuously sipped more cups of my green tea and resisted. The main course was really enough.

The Great Wall is still a great place for Chinese food and a good gossip with a friend, you need someone to share the food with.

Expect to spend


Chow mein

Duck chop suey

Pot of tea

Total $22


Courtesy — excellent

Ambience — still shaping up

Service — very efficient

Food — good

Value for money — a bit high, especially for one

Overall rating 3






1-If there is no choice

0-If there is a gun held to your head

China's central bank set the yuan's reference central parity rate on Friday to its highest level against the dollar since 2005's revaluation, despite growing concerns about the economic slow-down in China and the rest of the world.

But analysts said the strong rise of the yuan could be temporary because it is a result of the recent weakening of the dollar and strengthening of the euro.

"Once the dollar weakening stops, the yuan could weaken again," said Liu Dongliang, chief currency analyst at China Merchants Bank.

The People's Bank of China set the yuan's reference rate at 6.772, up more than 0.8 percent compared to the 6.83 it was two weeks ago when the authorities announced the yuan would be made more flexible.

In market trading, the yuan rose as far as 6.7808 against the dollar on Thursday, a whisker from Wednesday's peak of 6.7801, the highest since its July 2005 revaluation.

Yuan forwards completed a fourth weekly gain as the euro rallied against the dollar following Spain's successful sale of bonds at auction on Thursday.

Twelve-month non-deliverable forwards jumped 0.2 percent to 6.6690 per dollar as of 5:37 pm in Hong Kong and strengthened 0.14 percent during the week. The performance reflects bets that the yuan will appreciate 1.5 percent in one year.

"The rise of the yuan against the dollar is not surprising," said Liu.

He explained that it was a "technical" appreciation because of the weakening dollar and rising euro.

"It's not strong enough to invite the central bank's intervention."

According to analysts, fluctuations in the yuan are closely related to major currencies, such as the dollar and euro, and China's currency can move because of the volatile international economy.

He Liping, dean of the financial department at Beijing Normal University, predicted the yuan will not rise significantly because economic conditions will become stable.

"There will not be drastic changes in the value of the yuan," he said, explaining that both the Chinese and global economy will stabilize in the second half of the year.

Overall, the global economic situation will not change much, with some countries recording more solid recoveries and others recovering slowly, he said.

The global stock markets have fared poorly during the past week, which reflected concern about the economic slow-down in China and the rest of the world, with China's benchmark Shanghai Composite Index dropping to a 15-month intraday low in afternoon trading on Friday.

The index shed 6.7 percent during the week, its biggest weekly loss since March 2009.

"The stock markets sometimes simply over-react," said He.

Wang Tao, head of China Economic Research at UBS Securities, was confident the Chinese economy will not suffer a "hard-landing".

"The short answer is no," she said in a research note.

UBS Securities maintained its GDP growth forecast for China for 2010 and 2011 at 10 percent and 8.7 percent, respectively.

Seumas Milne is quite correct (These strikes are good for China, 1 July) that China needs to boost consumption and that wage rises are one way of doing this. But the picture is considerably more complex and nuanced than he suggests. The strikes have been solely at companies owned by Japanese and Taiwanese – no mainland firms have been affected. They have been in a small area of Guangdong. Companies affected will react by increasing productivity through use of new machines that require fewer workers. They will move production from the coast to inland areas where wages are lower – Foxconn has already announced plans to expand its labour force inland to 300,000.

The wage rises announced on 1 July apply only to minimum wages and do not affect higher-paid workers. Up to 50% of the earnings of Chinese industrial workers comes from overtime, which is not affected either. Without effective health, education or pensions systems, precautionary savings will remain high and present a deterrent to consumption spending.

Finally, the past 30 years have shown no evidence that rising living standards on the mainland lead to "progressive democratic change".

It would be nice to think that we are witnessing a decisive shift in the Chinese model but, as with the currency, it would be wiser to be patient if recent history is any guide. Milne refers to Hu Jintao's "attempt to reduce inequality", but the share of wages in China's GDP has slumped from 53% of GDP to 40% in the last 10 years, while the Gini coefficient measuring wealth disparities has steadily widened.

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Striking employees at a Japanese-owned electronics factory in the Chinese city of Tianjin have stalled production for a third day and vowed to continue their fight until bosses stump up decent pay and benefits.

It is the latest in a spate of work stoppages to hit foreign transnationals operating in China, where workers are increasingly exercising their social rights at the same time as their government is implementing policies designed to boost domestic consumption.

In Tokyo, Mitsumi Electric Company spokesman Yoshitsugu Murakami said that production lines at its Tianjin factory have been stalled since Tuesday.

Workers at the factory produce electrical appliances parts ranging from audio tuners and antennas to power switches.

They have hung large banners outside the factory gate reading: "Human traffickers are not welcome," "We want a pay rise" and "We want fair treatment."

A worker who gave her surname as Wang said that employees at the Tianjin Mitsumi Electric plant, who are all unionised, were demanding decent pay and better working conditions.

"We're on strike because the factory has never increased our wages and they keep increasing our workload - it's too tiring," Wang explained.

Another worker who declined to be identified said that he received just 1,500 yuan (£145) a month after working on Saturdays and putting in two hours overtime every working day.

Strikes have recently disrupted production at Japanese corporations Toyota and Honda based in the Pearl River delta export hub.

Japanese firms are particularly vulnerable to strikes due to their tight supply chains.

lol chinks think they have the right to strike

BEIJING -- China has installed about 40,000 high-definition surveillance cameras in the western region of Xinjiang days before the anniversary of the country's worst ethnic violence in decades.

The security cameras with "riot-proof" protective shells will be monitored by police at more than 4,000 public locations, including on city streets and buses and in schools and shopping malls, city government spokesman Ma Xinchun said Friday.

Long-simmering tensions between Xinjiang's minority Uighurs and majority Han Chinese turned into open violence in the streets of Urumqi -- the capital of the traditionally Muslim region -- last July. The government says 197 people were killed. Beijing accused overseas Uighur groups of plotting the violence, but exile groups denied that assertion.

China appeared caught by surprise a year ago when anger over a brawl between Uighurs and Han in another part of the country boiled over despite Xinjiang's typically high police presence and tight Internet monitoring. After the July 5 violence, the region's Internet, international telephone and text-messaging links to the outside world were not restored for more than half a year.

The installation of the cameras follows a crackdown on violent crime launched in Xinjiang last month, as well as the hiring of about 5,000 police officers there.

Beijing labels those opposing Chinese authority over Xinjiang as terrorists. Late last month it announced that it had uncovered a gang of "hard-core terrorists" who it said had plotted attacks in southern Xinjiang cities between July and October last year. Public Security Ministry spokesman Wu Heping took no questions from reporters, and his assertions could not be independently verified.

The announcement came a day after Xinjiang officials launched a "Love the great motherland, build a beautiful homeland" patriotic education campaign aimed at establishing that "the ethnic minorities are inseparable from the Han."

The Washington-based Uyghur Human Rights Project on Friday called for the Chinese government to support an independent, international investigation into last year's violence. The group also asked officials to release Uighurs it says have been detained without charge, end the use of crackdowns and address the issues behind the region's tensions.

Many Uighurs say they suffer discrimination in jobs and cannot get loans and passports, but Han Chinese in Xinjiang accuse them of being more concerned with religion than business.

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DALIAN - Sun Rujie, a 25-year-old PhD candidate at the University of Utah in the United States, has decided to start his own business back in China in pursuit of more opportunities.

The favorable policies for returning scholars are very attractive. Besides, I prefer the Chinese cultural environment," he said.

Like Sun, more overseas Chinese scholars are returning home.

More than 1,600 Chinese scholars who are studying or working abroad attended CHINAOCS, which ended on Thursday in Dalian. They submitted nearly 1,000 projects, covering electronic information, biological medicine, advanced manufacturing, new materials, energy efficiency, environmental protection and agriculture technology.

The number of Chinese scholars who have returned home after studying abroad in the last 30 years is almost 497,400, said Wang Xiaochu, vice-minister of human resources and social security.
"In 2009, the number of returning scholars exceeded 100,000, up 56.2 percent year-on-year," Wang said.

Wang said over 800 high-level overseas scholars have signed up with the "Thousand Talents" program, which was launched by the central government in 2008 in a bid to attract 2,000 overseas experts and entrepreneurs within five to 10 years.

During CHINAOCS 2010, the website of the Thousand Talents program,, was officially launched. It aims to build a bridge between overseas talent and domestic government officials. Policies and job vacancies are listed online.

The three-day conference also attracted delegates from 25 provinces and cities, introducing their policies to lure overseas talents. More than 8,000 vacancies in government institutions, universities, laboratories, big companies and State-owned enterprises were on offer.

Of all the vacancies, 85 percent require candidates with master's degree or doctoral degrees. Most of them include labs and houses. Some universities offer annual salaries as high as 1 million yuan ($147,000) for academic leaders.

Launched in 2000, CHINAOCS has attracted more than 2,400 overseas scholars to return and they have set up more than 1,600 enterprises, said Dalian Party secretary Xia Deren.

Exactly why this idea doesn't work. No debates, just desperate article flooding by the samefag who made all the reports and sages because the discussions were above his head. Now /n/ is like any other board and has lost it's charm and anchor.

Tough shit. The spammer caused this by flooding the board with nothing but China threads. I imagine once he learns his lesson and cuts his crap out we'll be able to have the occasional China thread mixed in with the rest of the news.

Don't like that? Then go elsewhere.

/n/ was fine before the pages of spam of china bullshit, and it's fine now. If you don't want to actually discuss the articles being posted in this sticky, that's fine, but the stories are being posted at the same rate that the threads were appearing so it looks like it's all in your head.

Back to back with no comments, ie a flood of shit? I don't think so, Tim, they were interspersed with other non-china articles as well.

0/10. You don't know /n/+ then.

I don't think you do. Besides, the articles were posted before mostly to incite debate which many did, not for generic news for the sake of it like this thread. You're just a butthurt weasel, but if these are the owner's rules now, /n/ will still be a better alternative to /new/


anti-Chi/n/ese owned.

cya, fags.

ISN wins, Flawless victory.

>anti-Chi/n/ese owned.


You were too beautiful for /n/

Sorry brah but I was on /n/+ before /n/ was shut down over on 4chon. The articles at first were done for debate, then it became nothing but trollish spamming to incite rage and bitching. Sorry, but /n/+ isn't a personal resort for two or three people to create a shitstorm on a constant basis. I don't mind, or even care, if they did it every once in a while. That keeps things fresh. However, turning /n/+ into a cesspool for the sake of their own amusement isn't going to stand any longer.

Get a grip, a clue, and better yourself. As it stands right now, you aren't worth any more of my time.

As much as I may or may not agree with you, I should point out:
> but I was on /n/+ before /n/ was shut down over on 4chon.
+/n/ was made a few days after it shut down on 4chan; it was a direct response to that happening. So, no, you weren't.

Point is, China threads lately have been mostly just local/human interest/opinion/etc; posted en masse, with mostly shitstorming about the flooding of china threads going on in each and comparatively little actual debate. This sticky's turning out the exact same way unsurprisingly, but at least it's not taking up half the board, so I'm fine with it. Up to you all if you want to use this thread for its intended purpose instead of debating the merits of two dozen china threads a week.

It was on whatever makeshift board we used for /n/ before the official /n/+ board was up. So yes, yes I was.

I consider the time we spent posting articles on /n/ (trans) to still be old /n/.

That wasn't /n/+; that was on a different *chan.

>I don't think you do. Besides, the articles were posted before mostly to incite debate which many did, not for generic news for the sake of it like this thread. You're just a butthurt weasel, but if these are the owner's rules now, /n/ will still be a better alternative to /new/

If it's the same debate over what people think of China then it seems appropriate to just keep it to one thread. It's not as though any of the China threads would keep to the topic involved with whatever story was posted as long as the penis obsessed guy kept popping up.

Well whatever it was, I was over on /n/+ before it hit page 3. My terrible memory aside, my point still stands.

Fuck you, OP. How dare you open a thread against my arch-enemy China, only to post an OP that makes me want to fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap

Chinese military is 可愛~


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new google news sucks

That's freaking sweet.



Oh, side note- that shit with the thread being deleted along with the same china video being posted over and over or whatever a while back?

The thread was deleted because the mod that took care of it nuked the user's posts rather than hunting them all down, and the person spamming the videos also created that thread. That won't be happening again in the future. Sorry.

Sure is lazy moderating in here.

Are you planning to shut down this /n/ anytime soon?

/new/ is staying put.

Anonex said he'd can /n/ if /new/ stayed up and if posting here dropped off substantially.

Butthurt /baw/er detected.

I believe /baw/ler is the usual term, but no matter.

Anyway, isn't it odd the way so many /baw/lers appear to resent /n/? We generally mind our own business, and rarely, if ever, annoy them by posting troll threads over there or anything. I don't get it.


As stated on ED's /n/ article, /baw/ is plus4chan's aptly named lair of faggotry.

Wow, that article's grown since I last saw it.

I have no plans to shut down /n/. It's staying as long as it stays active.

I MAY at some point restructure the site to make it more obvious that [+/n/] and [everything else] are essentially two different chans/userbases (no, this doesn't mean "hide /n/ or remove it from the menus"), but that's about it.

>/n/ is a Russiophobic image board entirely devoted to discussion of Anti-Russian News.
wow this is out of date

Ha ha wait what, that article says Athens and MagnumOpus are janitors? We don't have any janitors.

Pepe's the only mod now aside from me, since I fired the other one for bullshit. Actually, nevermind, just fired Pepe; he's only logged in to check reports a grand total of once in the past month or so.

I should probably hire someone new that's actually active.

inb4 ISN

>Actually, nevermind, just fired Pepe; he's only logged in to check reports a grand total of once in the past month or so.

ICE is actually doing their job?

My ancient offer to be a janitor still stands. I check /n/ at least once every day.

Why you fire me? I do good job, open main page every day, check that there's no spam nor CP and clean up the frivolous reports every now and then...

because you dont have your work papers

I've told you a few times that part of it is logging in to check and clear reports, not just skim the pages.

For several months, I've left frivolous reports up for weeks at a time to see if you'd log in and clear them, and you rarely log in, and don't usually clear them when you do. I've been basically taking care of reports on my own.

I've considered 'firing' in the past because of this, but instead before I've just asked you to check and clear reports regularly. I'll just skip that this time. Thank you for the work you've done, but I think I've got it under control.

Also I keep getting emails in Spanish for one reason or another and you're apparently the source.

>anti-Chi/n/ese owned.

How, exactly?


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> just fired Pepe; he's only logged in to check reports a grand total of once in the past month or so.

Pepe was useless. I think the only reason he got the gig was he was a tripfag. Who is logged on? Anoymous, Anoymous, Anoymous, and Pepe. Hey, I think I'll choose Pepe. But when we had cp scat posted or ISM porn it would stay up despite being reported.

As for Moot's /new/. Who gives a fuck? It's a far cry from the old /n. We are closer. We will triumph. Now I must fap to that kawaii Chinese soldier.

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>kawaii Chinese soldier
Als ob.

just curious: how many people still check /n/?

moot's /n/?
I for time to time, like, every three weeks or so, then I run away from the lack of real news and go back in another three weeks.

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An American geologist held and tortured by China's state security agents was sentenced to eight years in prison Monday for gathering data on the Chinese oil industry in a case that highlights the government's use of vague secrets laws to restrict business information.

In pronouncing Xue Feng guilty of spying and collecting state secrets, the Beijing No. 1 Intermediate People's Court said his actions "endangered our country's national security."

Its verdict said Xue received documents on geological conditions of onshore oil wells and a data base that gave the coordinates of more than 30,000 oil and gas wells belonging to China National Petroleum Corporation and listed subsidiary PetroChina Ltd. That information, it said, was sold to IHS Energy, the U.S. consultancy Xue worked for and now known as IHS Inc.

The sentence of eight years is close to the recommended legal limit of 10 for all but extremely serious violations. Though Xue, now 45 and known as a meticulous, driven researcher, showed no emotion when the court announced the verdict, it stunned his lawyer and his sister, his only family member allowed in the courtroom.

"I can't describe how I feel. It's definitely unacceptable," Xue's wife, Nan Kang, said by telephone, sobbing, from their home in a Houston, Texas, suburb where she lives with their two children.

U.S. Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman attended the hearing to display Washington's interest in the case. He left without commenting and the U.S. Embassy issued a statement calling for Xue's immediate release and deportation to the United States.

Xue's sentence punctuates a case that has dragged on for more than two-and-a-half years and is likely to alarm foreign businesses unsure when normal business activities elsewhere might conflict with China's vague state security laws.

Chinese officials have wide authority to classify information as state secrets. Draft regulations released by the government in April said business secrets of major state companies qualify as state secrets.

"This is a very harsh sentence," said John Kamm, an American human rights campaigner whom the State Department turned to for help last year to lobby for Xue's release. "It's a huge disappointment and will send very real shivers up the spines of businesses that do business in China."

Agents from China's internal security agency detained Xue in November 2007 and tortured him, stubbing lit cigarettes into his arms in the early days of his detention. His case first became public when The Associated Press reported on it last November.

Like IHS, many multinationals have come to rely on people like Xue to run their China operations. Another China-born foreign national, Australian Stern Hu who worked for the global mining firm Rio Tinto, was sentenced in March to 10 years for bribery and infringing trade secrets that dealt with iron ore sales to Chinese companies.

Born in China, Xue earned a doctorate at the University of Chicago and became a U.S. citizen, returning to his native country to work. By all accounts, including witness statements cited in the court verdict, Xue poured his energies into his work for IHS, trying to gather information on China's oil industry, contacting former school mates from his university days in China.

Two of the three other defendants sentenced along with Xue on Monday were school mates. Chen Mengjin and Li Dongxu, who worked for research institutes affiliated with PetroChina were each given two-and-a-half-year sentences and fined 50,000 yuan ($7,500). The other defendant, Li Yongbo, a manager at Beijing Licheng Zhongyou Oil Technology Development Co., was sentenced to eight years and fined 200,000 yuan ($30,000). Xue was also fined 200,000 yuan.

Li and Xue arranged the sale of the database — which was originally prepared by a Chinese company for sale to PetroChina's parent company and contained details on the coordinates and volume of reserves for the 30,000 wells — to IHS for $228,500, the court's sentencing document said.

A spokesman for IHS, which is based in Englewood, Colorado, said the company is disappointed by the news yet declined to comment on China's broad interpretation of state secrets. In the past, the spokesman, Ed Mattix, has said that Chinese authorities never notified IHS that it was involved in any wrongdoing.

During Xue's closed-door trial, which ran over three dates last July and in December, the court document said he defended himself, arguing that the information he gathered "is data that the oil sector in countries around the world make public."

David Rowley, Xue's thesis adviser at University of Chicago and a geologist, said that the location and seismic and other data of oil wells is commonly available and could not compromise Chinese security since the government controls access.

"What frightens me most about this is that Xue Feng is, in my experience, a straight-up individual who worked hard, who didn't push limits, or try to pull a fast one by, but was simply honest and entirely well meaning," Rowley said in an e-mail. "That's IHS's business — acquiring and redistributing data (bases) so he was simply doing his job."

In rejecting Xue and his lawyer's arguments that no crime had been committed, the court cited the National Administration for the Protection of State Secrets as saying that the information Xue received on China National Petroleum Corp. was classified as either secret or confidential.

The court document indirectly acknowledged the difficulties Xue and IHS would have collecting data in such a restrictive environment.

"IHS Co. has information exchange agreements with many oil companies, but exchanging information with Chinese oil companies is very difficult. Because China controls energy information relatively strictly, IHS Co.'s information and data on China are not very complete," the sentencing statement cited one witness as telling the court.,0,5086903.story

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Residents crowd in a swimming pool to escape the summer heat during a hot weather spell in Daying county of Suining, Sichuan province July 4, 2010. China is experiencing temperatures over 35 degrees Celsius (95 degrees Farhenheit) in at least 13 provinces and regions, according to the National Meteorological Center on Sunday.

/notes that chink trolls more often post outside of the China sticky than in it



Didn't Pepe run some blog for a while?

He was such a lazy spic he didn't even muster up the energy to take offense to spic jokes.

I still come here every day, I just don't have the energy to post anymore. And I still have a blog about local news

Good to see you around.

Do you still post on /r9k/?

Not anymore, you? Shit's lamer than ever, man


>click on link
>catch virus

That is not a virus it is simply a browser hack also sage for dead thread.

100 years ago Britain was still the dominant world power. If you were to tell a Brit of that era America would come to be the dominant force I think they might react in much the same way Americans of today do when told China will rise to become the dominant force in the world.

The tone of U.S.-China relations, as evidenced by General Electric CEO Jeff Immelt's provocative 'colonization' blast, is deteriorating rapidly and signaling trouble ahead. Given the importance of this relationship it would be very helpful to understand what's at stake and how events will play out.

Chimerica: The World's Most Crucial Relationship

The most important bilateral economic and political relationship in the world today is arguably the one between the Chinese and the Americans. London School of Economics Professor Niall Ferguson coined the term "Chimerica" to characterize its interdependent nature.

The U.S. currently has the world's largest economy and most powerful military, and the U.S. dollar is the world's reserve currency. China is the fastest growing large economy, and the holder of approximately $1 trillion -- or about 50% -- of all foreign held U.S. Treasury debt. Depending upon how you measure GDP, China's economy has already-- or should soon-- pass Japan's to become the world's second largest. The Chinese economy is projected to pass the U.S.'s to become #1 in the not too distant future.

A significant part of China's rapid growth has been driven by its ability to export its goods to countries such as the United States. In turn, the U.S.'s ability to continue to finance its massive $13 trillion federal deficit has been substantially underwritten by China's ongoing purchase of U.S. Treasury debt.

While each side has gained from this relationship it is charting an unsustainable trajectory that could lead to severe problems. This is particularly troubling because Chimerica tension is rising over China's currency policy just as many countries -- including the U.S. with its high unemployment and China with its property bubble and inflation concerns -- appear to be struggling to emerge from the 'Great Recession'.

The Who and Why Behind Deeming China's Currency Policy as 'Harmful'

China's currency is confusingly referred to both as the renminbi and the yuan. The Chinese government has historically fixed the renminbi's exchange rate to the U.S. dollar. The working economic assumption in the U.S. is that if the renminbi were allowed to fluctuate that it would appreciate vs. the U.S. dollar.

Many have been very critical of the Chinese policy of suppressing the value of the renminbi, perhaps none more loudly and persistently than Nobel Laureate, Princeton Economics Professor, and NY Times columnist Paul Krugman. He has stated again and again that China's currency policy provides an economic advantage that -- while good for China in the immediate term -- is harmful towards the goal of achieving a balanced global economy. The European Union has also been critical in the past of China's currency policy.

What is the effect of a low renminbi? There are several, but one is that a low renminbi makes Chinese goods relatively less expensive in America. Consumers bear witness by observing that a vast number of the manufactured products at Wal-Mart (WMT), Home Depot (HD), etc. are made in China. Obviously most consumers prefer to pay less, and if given the choice between nearly identical products the consumer will choose the less expensive of the two.

China's ability to export comparatively less expensive products, which is aided by the renminbi's managed exchange rate, is a key element in China's economic growth story.

China is Playing Games

Headlines were made following the recent move by the Chinese to de-peg their currency to the U.S. Dollar. The move, however, was greeted by China critics as lacking in substantive change.

Professor Krugman was among the many who characterized the Chinese move as "playing games" to prolong their current policy. In the time since the Chinese allowed the renminbi to float it has moved both up and down vs. the U.S. Dollar within a very narrow range of approximately 0.5%.

An Imminent Showdown

There are a number of simultaneous forces coming to a head that indicate some type of Chimerica fracture may be on the not too distant horizon.

Politicians throughout history have consistently created scapegoats when problems arise. The U.S. is in the throes of a very serious economic challenge. Professor Krugman is not alone in thinking that the U.S. is in the early stages of what he's calling "The Third Depression". As depressions are relatively infrequent economic phenomena, we don't have a substantial body of history from which to base predictions. However, the increased political pressure that has occurred during history's depressions has led to radical and destructive policies.

The Chinese will make a convenient scapegoat during an election season characterized by high unemployment and deteriorating confidence. This is already happening, but expect even more China bashing (ala 1980s Japan bashing) from U.S. politicians, labor groups, etc. through this November's mid-term elections and the next U.S. Presidential election in 2012.

Unemployment has and will continue to be blamed on unfair Chinese competition due to the renminbi's low exchange rate. Look for more fear mongering over China's massive U.S. treasury holdings. And expect trade sanctions and barriers against Chinese goods. Simply discussing trade barriers or currency values publicly can be seismic in their impact to China's attitude towards the U.S. In addition, other efforts are underway that will further compound the schism.

Crossing the Debt Rubicon

The U.S. Federal debt level is around $13 trillion, which equates to approximately 90% of annual U.S. GDP. That's in line with Greece's Debt-to-GDP level. While the U.S. is not in the same economic boat as Greece, the 90% debt-to-GDP threshold is the level that research conducted by Reinhart and Rogoff has shown to be problematic. Have the Chinese and other holders of U.S. debt fallen victim to history's reoccurring "This Time is Different" thinking with respect to U.S. government debt?

Throughout history sovereigns have 'debased' their currencies for a variety of reasons. One common reason is to retire debt to foreign creditors. I've written previously about why the Federal Reserve will engage in another round of massive money printing to try and combat deflation and kickstart an economic rebound. Monetizing debt is another powerful incentive that could drive such a move.

The Option to Go Bankrupt Can Be a Very Valuable Option

Thinking about the future of Chinese-U.S. relations I'm reminded of a comment my uncle made to me when I was a kid about the sometimes conflicted relationship between a farmer and his bank:

"The Bank has a lot power over most Farmers. If the Farmer runs into financial trouble then the Bank can seize the Farmer's land, putting the Farmer out of business. This power dynamic is reversed, however, when it comes to the case of The Really Big Farmer. If The Really Big Farmer has financial trouble he can put the Bank out of business."

While its tempting to reduce the complex U.S.-China relationship to that of The Really Big Farmer and the Bank, respectively, I don't believe it's that simple. Having said that, the U.S.'s option to effectively go bankrupt by monetizing its debt is a very powerful card that can be played.

It is entirely possible that the U.S. has in effect already crossed its debt 'Rubicon'. At this point the U.S. may either be unable, or unwilling, to pay back its debt without printing substantial quantities of money to do so. If this is in fact the case, then the U.S. government may have an incentive to just keep on borrowing for as long as creditors will lend it money.

Massive money printing could reduce the U.S.'s debt burden. But it would damage, if not destroy, the value of the U.S. dollar and topple it from its reserve currency status. However, it's unclear who would lose more -- The Big Farmer or The Bank -- were such a event to occur. As an example, Iceland -- which experienced one of the greatest financial disasters ever -- when compared to countries such as Ireland, Estonia and Latvia is doing better on a GDP and Employment basis. Professor Krugman's takeaway: "if you’re going to have a crisis, it’s better to have a really, really bad one."

Just How Likely is Openly Waged U.S.-China Economic War?

There is a huge incentive for both the U.S. and China to avoid a path as destructive as the one described here. The economic disruption and cost would be widespread, devastating and perhaps permanent. However, we know that it is human nature to underestimate the probability of severe events like a U.S.-China economic war. I believe this is a mistake.

What would be the trigger? A U.S. Treasury auction, a WTO complaint, U.S. Congressional action, or perhaps even a geopolitical event are all possible candidates. For example, the U.S.'s failure to enact fiscal austerity in a timely enough fashion for the Chinese, or concerns about massive money printing, could lead the Chinese to reduce their U.S. debt purchases. If the Chinese fail to show up for a U.S. debt auction, then the U.S. will have a much lower incentive to hold back on efforts to combat Chinese currency and trade manipulation.

If the U.S. responds with trade and monetary policies of sufficient scale, China would likely consider these moves to be openly hostile and retaliate.

Two keys to determining China's likely response: a) the speed at which events unfold and b) the size of U.S. actions (e.g, how much money will the Fed print). If political and economic pressures do not overwhelm U.S. policymakers and force them to move too quickly, then the U.S. may be able to phase implement its policies so that they do not provoke a rapid, complete breakdown in relations. However, recent history is not encouraging as policymakers have struggled to accurately diagnose and get out in front of big problems (e.g., inaccurate calls that the subprime problem was "contained" prior to the near collapse of the global financial system).

Closing Thoughts

The Chinese have been driving a very hard bargain with the rest of the world with their managed currency policy. China has benefitted tremendously from joining the open world economy. However, free trade is not an inalienable sovereign right.

China's growing economic power comes with the role of being a responsible global actor by playing by the same rules as its trading partners. The U.S. has grown weary of waiting for the Chinese government to come around at a time when it is also economically weakened. In short, the time has come for the renminbi to be revalued upward or U.S. action will occur.

What is China's realpolitik calculation?

China's leadership, emboldened for example by the failure of the U.S. to navigate the world away from a near financial collapse and Google's recent blink, is growing more confident. It is reasonable to assume that China will increasingly flex its economic muscles and may reject the U.S.'s request for a change in its currency policy.

The Chinese government stubbornly detests public pressure from foreign government officials. Yet the Chinese leadership appears to only move when they are forced to do so. And often when they do finally make a change, as with the most recent renminbi move, they barely budge.

At the same time, it is highly unlikely the U.S. will quietly surrender its role as the world's dominant superpower. And the pressure is growing to take swift, assertive action on the renminbi as calls to "do something" grow louder in the face of a deteriorating domestic economy.

China -- similar to Japan in the 1980s -- is directly in the U.S.'s economic crosshairs. The inescapable conclusion is that an escalating U.S.-China economic war is not only underestimated in terms of its likelihood, but probable.

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THIS week's plain-speaking prize goes to Jeff Immelt, the boss of General Electric.

He argued that China is increasingly hostile to foreign multinationals; he also gave warning that his company, the world's biggest manufacturer, is actively looking for better prospects in other emerging markets. "They don't all want to be colonised by the Chinese", he said, going rather further than was prudent. "They want to develop themselves".

Mr Immelt's broadside was undoubtedly significant. It reflects a growing mood of disillusionment with China among big Western companies. It came from the mouth of one of China's biggest boosters, a man who praised the Chinese leadership, only last December, for doing exactly what they say they will.

Is Mr Immelt right about the changing mood in China? The Chinese are certainly unusually self-confident at the moment, thanks to the financial meltdown. They have flexed their muscles against a succession of companies, including Rio Tinto and Google.

But the Chinese have always driven a hard bargain, and they have always made it clear that they will give only to get. The American Chamber of Commerce reported in 2008 that three-quarters of the foreign companies that they surveyed were finally making money in China, a big increase on the historical average. Many Western companies, notably Yum! Brands, have finally cracked the China code, and are becoming ubiquitous across the country.

It will be interesting to see how Immelt's comments play out in China, a country which puts a great store on "face", and which does not take kindly to even gentle criticism, let alone talk of "colonisation".

Google seems to be retreating, with its long tail between its legs, from its bold challenge to Chinese authoritarianism. It will therefore also be interesting to see if, sometime in the near future, Mr Immelt finds himself delivering a speech with a rather different message.

US was already a greater economic power by 1900.



Regardless, the US wasn't really regarded as a superpower until the second world war.

What's interesting in that article is the 1913 and 1950 statistics for China. In 1913, the new Chinese Republic was among the foremost economic powers of the world.

By 1950, the new (People's) Republic was an economic basket-case.

This suggests that the Sino-Japanese War and the Chinese Civil War were responsible for sending China to hell, and not Western imperialism, as irate Chinese nationalists are wont to claim.

Rarely, and then only to troll. 4chan in general is garbage.

/ck/ is a good board.

This is true.

Also, this thread is now about what the best kind of pizza is. Personally, I think four cheese pizzas are god tier.

>I think four cheese pizzas are god tier.

Agreed. Also, NY pizza > Chicago pizza

White Pizza is better than regular pizza. Refer to the post I made here:

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Uighur rights groups and activists rallied here in Washington on Monday to mark the one year anniversary of China's worst ethnic violence in decades, which occurred in the remote western region of Xinjiang, and to protest what they say is China's repression of Uighurs, the regions largest ethnic minority group. VOA's William Ide in Washington has more.

Dozens of Uighurs and activists rallied outside the Chinese embassy to pay their respects to those who lost their lives in last year's violence.

Arafat Dilshat, a Uighur supporter, was among those who participated in the rally.

"Over 1,600 people died," said Arafat Dilshat. "They were known as Uighurs, so we're holding this protest today to remember all of those - our people, our brothers, sisters, family members - who died that day."

The Chinese government accuses overseas Uighur groups of plotting the violence last July. It says about 200 people died in the unrest and that about 1,700 were injured. Tensions between Xinjiang's minority Uighurs and majority Han Chinese migrants spiraled out of control last year on streets of the capital, Urumqi.

Louisa Greve of the National Endowment for Democracy attended the rally and says the Chinese government is covering up the truth about the unrest.

"Today marks a really solemn and horrible anniversary of the day when Uighurs in Urumqi went on the streets to have a peaceful protest and, unfortunately, were met with deadly live fire, which has been documented now in some new reports that are making clear the Chinese government is covering up what had happened and what it did to its citizens," said Louisa Greve.

Chinese authorities blame separtists who want to create an independent nation in the region for last year's violence.

Uighur rights groups around the world have called on Beijing to allow an independent investigation into the incident.

Last week, the Washington-based Uighur Human Rights Project, released a new report on the unrest. In it, the group details what it calls a violent effort by Chinese authorities to suppress peaceful protests.

The Chinese government suspended international telephone calls from the region and Xinjiang's Internet service for more than six months following the clashes. The government has arrested and tried hundreds of demonstrators, sentencing dozens of them to death.

Because of its rich oil and gas deposits, Xinjiang is a strategically important region for China.

Beijing officials have repeatedly stressed that all ethnic groups in China are treated equally. But human rights groups say discriminatory economic and cultural policies against the Uighurs raised ethnic tensions to a boiling point in Xinjiang, culminating in last July's protests.

In the Uighur Human Rights Project's newly released report "Can Anyone Hear Us?" the group says that the Uighur language has been virtually eliminated from school instruction in Xinjiang. It also says that hundreds of books on Uighur history and culture have been banned and burned.

Ilham Tohti is an ethnic Uighur and an economist at the Central Nationalities University in Beijing. He says Uighurs are becoming increasingly pessimistic about their situation.

Tohti says that Uighurs do not trust the government, the military, the police and Han Chinese. He says many do not even trust members of their own community because they feel that those around them could be spying on them for the government.

China's state media have marked the anniversary of the incident by broadcasting numerous television reports about how life has improved in Xinjiang. Those reports, however, avoided mentioning last year's violence and did not include discussion of the causes of the unrest.

A Chinese man who saved a one-armed, one-legged monkey says the primate has paid him back - by killing all of his chickens.

Li Chun, from Menghai village, Yunnan province, says the monkey has become a member of his family since he nursed it back to health.

It has become to devoted to the family and performs many chores around the home - but it also copies everything Li does.

When it saw him crack some eggs to make a meal it went into the hen coop and smashed all of the eggs it could find.

And when Li slaughtered a chicken, the monkey copied him and has since killed about 80 chickens, reports the Chuncheng Evening Post.

"From then on, whenever it's not occupied, it jumps into the chicken pen, and kills the chickens, no matter how big or small, and tries to pluck them," said Li.

"His record is nine chickens in one day. The lesson I have learned is to never slaughter a chicken in front of a monkey."

Li found the seriously injured monkey in a forest more than a year ago when it jumped into a basket on his back.

He found the monkey's right arm and left leg were rotten and took it home where he cut off the decayed limbs and gave it anti-inflammatory medication.

He nursed the monkey back to health and it made an astonishing recovery, putting on weight and soon started to help around the home.

It helps look after Li's dog's puppies and even wiped away Li's tears when he was grieving the death of his father.

Li said: "It sat besides me quietly and extended his only arm to wipe the tears on my face. He would softly pat my face and head, and look at me with great sympathy."


He'll learn next time not to save dying white people.

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>> 241610

I'm impressed a one-armed, one-legged monkey is doing anything except falling over, to be honest, let alone chasing down chickens, but I hope Li never lets the monkey see him having marital relations.

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China this week again used the East China Sea as a setting for military maneuvers and exercises that it knew would rattle the United States and its allies. After recently calming Japanese concerns about rising tensions in this area, China shut down all vessel traffic in a large zone off the coast of Zhejiang as the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) conducted a series of live fire drills.

The PLAN engages in such drills each year, and does so in waters considered part of China's exclusive economic zone (EEZ). All ships, including US military surveillance ships, are given fair warning to stay clear.

At the same time, because US Navy carriers do not frequent the Yellow Sea for a variety of reasons, China was sending messages in advance that "national interests could be damaged" if the US proceeds to deploy a US carrier during a joint exercise with the South Korean navy later this summer.

"Under current situations, relevant parties should exercise restraint and refrain from doing things that may escalate tensions and harm the interests of the countries in the region," said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang.

Having this floating symbol of US military might deployed so close to China is perceived by Beijing as more than a very unfriendly gesture on the part of the US. Another US aircraft carrier has just passed through the Panama Canal and will soon transit the Pacific Ocean - something else that Beijing must keep in mind.

Simply put, seldom have so many warships been exercising all at once in the Pacific. A large fleet of US and allied warships are engaged in the RIMPAC exercise off Hawaii, and the Russians are conducting a very large exercise in the western Pacific region.
Speculation swirled in the US and elsewhere about the possibility that the PLAN would launch Anti-Ship Ballistic Missiles (ASBM) - known as "carrier killers" - during its East China Sea exercises just north of Taiwan.

Although photographs of the PLAN exercises have appeared, including numerous so-called Type 022 Houbei fast attack craft (FAC) and some of FACs firing YJ-83 missiles, there has been no independent verification of an actual ASBM launch by the PLAN in 2010. [1]

China vigorously denies any connection between its coastal defense exercise and the US carrier. However, the Chinese have engaged in their own spirited discussion about what is unfolding off their coastline, and many Chinese see a distinct connection.

"Though the Chinese government did not say anything about the drill, anybody with common sense on military strategy will bet that they are related," said Shi Yinhong, a senior expert on US studies at Beijing-based Renmin University of China, according to a China Daily report.

Chen Hu, editor-in-chief of Xinhua's World Military magazine, attempted to prod the PLAN into accepting the presence of a US aircraft carrier so close to China as an unusual opportunity to conduct further drills using the US ship as a hypothetical target. [2]

"Chinese naval activities and maritime claims in the Western Pacific have become more assertive," said Tetsuo Kotani, a research fellow at the Tokyo-based Ocean Policy Research Foundation. "The PLA naval exercise was an attempt to check the expected US-ROK exercise in the Yellow Sea, especially the participation of the USS George Washington. In other words, that shows how much China is concerned about the US carrier based in Japan."

Kotani sees no reason why the US should refrain from sending its carrier to the exercise.

"It is totally legitimate under international law. Otherwise, the freedom of action and strategic mobility of the US military would be severely undermined,' said Kotani. "The US should be more assertive, hopefully with the Self-Defense Force. The US and Japan should consider trilateral exercise with ROK, too."

As much as the increasing size and power of the PLAN is a concern for the US-Japan alliance, the PLA's asymmetric warfare capabilities - such as anti-ship ballistic missiles, anti-satellite attack capabilities, quieter submarines, sophisticated mines, cyber and info attack capabilities - constitute a much more serious concern.

"The introduction of those asymmetric warfare capabilities can destabilize the balance of power in the region. So Japan needs to join the development of the 'AirSea Battle' concept to further support US forward presence," said Kotani.

The Japanese media's analysis of the situation, at the same time, is reflecting the unease and growing anxiety of the Japanese people over China's "saber-rattling" and attempts to fend off the US. The Chinese government seems to take these attitudes in stride.

"Naval tensions in the region have been high since the March 26 sinking of the South Korean corvette Cheonan , which has been blamed on a North Korean torpedo attack," the Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun declared this month. "China has long considered the Yellow Sea to be its 'backyard' and the dispatch of the aircraft carrier is being characterized as an 'attempt to invade the Yellow Sea using the sinking as a pretext'," according to the Chinese global affairs journal Huanqiu Shibao (Global Times). [3]

According to Yukie Yoshikawa, senior research fellow at the Edwin O Reischauer Center for East Asian Studies in Washington, DC, the fact that the Japanese government is remaining rather quiet about the PLAN exercise in the East China Sea is a bit deceiving because both the Japanese government and Japanese people are quite concerned about it.

"The Japanese view it in extension of a series of incidents involving Chinese ships which invaded the Japanese EEZ in April and May," said Yoshikawa. "Since then, the Japanese understand that China is willing to expand its control so as to be able to access the Pacific. Japan happens to be in between which will be a growing concern."

By the way, when Qin made his remarks about the need for restraint, he said nothing about the fact that two PLAN warships from the North China Sea Fleet had once again passed close to Okinawa on their way to the Pacific in early July.

While the PLAN drill is a regularly scheduled event, this year it has happened at the exact time when the US and Japan may be close to resolving the bitter and lengthy argument over the future of the Futenma military base on Okinawa. China may be exploiting the instability of US-Japan relations, and even experimenting to see how far it can go before US and Japan will respond.

"The US and Japan should show China that it has gone far enough and needs to back off. In that sense, terminating the current stalemate was one good sign, and announcing a joint exercise with Korea, though postponed, was another," said Yoshikawa. "But the US should do more, and anything that demonstrates that the US is still committed to the security of Northeast Asia is necessary, including proceeding with the deployment of a US carrier in the joint exercise with Korea."

Yoshikawa also recommends that military-to-military exchanges between the US and China "should be resumed, more seriously, in order to not escalate the situation any further".

In terms of the US military posture in the western Pacific, Yoshikawa supports the status quo.

"The US should be in the picture, since all the neighboring countries have designed and planned their defense structures under the assumption that the US would be stationed in Japan, the ROK," said Yoshikawa. "In order for the US military presence to fade, Japan needs to enhance its military capabilities that are now designed to rely on the US, while discussing arms reduction with China, the ROK, and ASEAN [the Association of Southeast Asian Nations], and making collective agreements on sea-lane defense between Japan and the Middle East. As far as none of this is happening, the US needs to stay."

At the same time, mounting concerns in Japan over China's activities and recent behavior should not be misunderstood as somehow transforming China into some sort of a direct threat to Japan in the eyes of the Japanese.

"The reality is that while Japan cannot overtly say China is a threat because Japan already depends heavily on China economically, Japan has not given enough serious thought to China, nor its future and its military ambitions," said Yoshikawa. "This concern will be expressed more indirectly as 'the US military role is and continues to be important to Japan', rather than saying 'China is a threat, so we need to team with the US to contain China'. This is a lesson from former Japanese prime minister Junichiri Koizumi's time in office."

Russia's presence cannot go unmentioned. Despite the intense focus on the PLAN and the whereabouts of a US aircraft carrier, Russia quietly assembled several warships in the Sea of Japan from its North, Black Sea and Pacific fleets in order to conduct its largest naval exercise in many years. With Russian President Dmitry Medvedev looking on, Russian battle cruisers and destroyers that had arrived in the region weeks earlier fired anti-ship missiles over long distances, and performed other anti-carrier maneuvers in the Sea of Okhotsk earlier this month.

In doing so, Russia is sending a strong signal to both China and Japan.

"It is hardly surprising that such exercises are conducted on the Pacific theater of war, as this region is and will remain one of the most conflict-prone areas for Russia in the next 20-30 years," said RIA Novosti military commentator Ilya Kramnik. "Russian-Japanese disagreements over the disputed South Kuril archipelago, called the 'Northern Territories' by Tokyo, and Russia's proximity to a powerful China prompt Moscow to find new ways to defend its Far East possessions in the event of a hypothetical conflict." [4]

Amid all the talk about exercises and China's rapidly improving naval capabilities, the US Navy is raising questions about its own state of readiness. Navy Times obtained a copy of the long-awaited report prepared by a US Navy panel headed by retired Vice Admiral Phillip Balisle about the questionable condition of some of the US Navy's Aegis-equipped warships.

The findings of the Balisle panel are considered a wakeup call in terms of the US Navy's important and expanding anti-missile mission. In a nutshell, the report identified numerous serious problems including a lack of adequately trained and experienced personnel, degraded radar operations on numerous ships, the presence of a failure to understand the importance of strong, reliable and consistent system performance. [5]

This report will be required reading to many, given the fact that AEGIS-equipped warships are vital components in the ballistic missile defense networks now in place in the US, Japan and soon Europe. In light of the looming ASBM threat in particular, the dependence of US aircraft carriers upon the anti-missile screen provided by these ultra-high-tech warships is only going to increase.

China only has ONE naval muscle?

How weak!

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This never existed, by the way - except in a race-hustling Bruce Lee movie.

Doesn't stop the lying Chinese government from pretending that the Shanghai Municipal Council put up such a sign in a park in the city, though.

Ironically, this urban legend has taken wing to the extent that visitors to a tiny Indonesian village found the local native insisting that the Dutch colonial adminstrators in Batavia had erected signs barring native Indonesians from public facilities in the city.

Presumably Indonesians had heard the story in its original form from a Chinese, and through a process of Chinese whispers (if you'll forgive the pun), it was attributed to the local Dutch colonial authorities and became accepted as a fact.

People believe what they want to believe, especially if it seems plausible.


Guess we better change this thread to Singapore General

breaking: baidu buys google

wtf is baidu?

Chinese search engine.

>implying this will ever happen

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can't ... stop ... fapping to OP! Oh god here I go again!!!!

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China has today renewed Google's Internet Content Provider (ICP) licence after initially threatening to revoke it if the search giant did not cooperate with its censorship efforts.

Google made the announcement on its blog, where it said: “We are very pleased that the government has renewed our ICP license and we look forward to continuing to provide web search and local products to our users in China.”

In January of this year Google withdrew its cooperation with China on censoring its search results after a series of hacking attempts targeted at its proprietary code and the Gmail accounts of human rights activists.

It since employed a system of automatically redirecting visitors from the website to the Hong Kong variant, where results are not censored. This angered the Beijing government, which threatened to pull the plug on Google's Chinese operations if it did not stop the redirect.

Google decided to meet half way and stop automatic redirects, but offer a link on to the uncensored site, allowing users to make the choice on what kind of results they wanted to see. Google believed that this would work under Chinese law, while not betraying its anti-censorship principles.

Google initially said it was “hopeful” for a licence renewal, which was up for review on June 30. However, a partial block of between 10 and 66 percent of its Chinese search engine on the renewal day dampened that optimism, leading many to speculate that China might take a hardline approach with the company.

However, earlier today Google's CEO, Eric Schmidt, revealed much more confidence on the issue. He said: “We would expect we would get the necessary license. We now expect to get a renewal.”

It is probably likely that Schmidt was already aware of the licence approval earlier today when he made his comments. He is undoubtedly happy that his company gets to continue its operations in China, offering it millions in revenue on an annual basis, which is set to grow as it expands its business there.

it will happen
not only that chinese conglomerates will buy up all their american counterparts


>154 Tomahawks per sub


so China = Rosanne Barr, Korea is boring, and Japan is cute?

Google Inc said on Friday that the Chinese authorities had renewed its license to operate a website, averting a potential shutdown of its flagship search page in the world's biggest Internet market.
The renewal has been in doubt due to the tense relations between Google and Chinese authorities over censorship of Google search results.
Google spokeswoman Courtney Hohne said Friday she could give no further details. "In the coming days, we will clarify what products we'll offer locally through," she said.
A small concession
Entering search requests at from within mainland China now requires an extra click, a change made last week to appease communist regulators. Users who click anywhere on the page are then taken to a site based in Hong Kong, which isn't subject to Beijing's censorship rules.

Since March, Google had been automatically rerouting search requests from the mainland to the Hong Kong service.

The small concession was enough to persuade China's regulators to renew Google's Internet license for at least another year, the company said. There was no immediate statement on the website of China's Internet regulator, the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology.
It's the latest twist in a diplomatic dance that's been unfolding since Google vowed in January to end its four-year practice of omitting search results that the Chinese government considers subversive or pornographic. Google reversed course after blaming Chinese computer hackers for an attack aimed at stealing the company's technology and e-mail information from human rights activists.

As soon as Google published a Jan. 12 blog post publicly challenging China's censorship polices, "it became clear that could never operate the same way again," Internet analyst Scott Kessler of Standard & Poor's said.

Even if Web surfers in mainland China click on to get to the Hong Kong search engine, China's government can still block results by using technology controls commonly known as its "Great Firewall."
Losing the Chinese license would have been a significant setback for Google, even though China will only account for a fraction of the company's projected $28 billion in revenue this year. China already has emerged as the Internet's most populous market with nearly 400 million Web surfers, and usage is expected to rise for years to come.
The downside of compromise
The latest compromise threatens to curtail Google's growth in China simply because it requires hundreds of millions of users to take an extra step to get to Google's search engine. The single additional click could diminish traffic and send Web surfers to more convenient options, such as the homegrown

If that happens, Google will have fewer opportunities to show the ads that bring in virtually all its revenue.

Still, investors were relieved that Google get did not get kicked out of China's rapidly growing Internet market. Google shares edged up on the news, gaining $10.93, or 2.4 percent, to close Friday at $467.49. The stock remains down by about 25 percent so far this year, partly because of fallout from the company's stand against China's stringent censorship rules.

Google already has been losing ground in China. The company's search market share in China now stands at about 30 percent, down from roughly 35 percent at the end of last year, according to the research firm Analysys International. Baidu's share has risen slightly to about 60 percent.

China is not yet a big moneymaker for Google, accounting for an estimated $250 million to $600 million of Google's projected $28 billion in revenue this year.

But China is expected to become far more lucrative as its economy matures and even more of its population comes online. Susquehanna Financial Group analyst Marianne Wolk believes Google could be pulling in $5 billion to $6 billion annually from China's online advertising market just four years from now if it can manage to keep its market share in the 30 percent range.

The makeover of is bound to hurt the company, but "it's a sacrifice well worth making if it means they can stay in China," Kessler said.

It must be renewed annually
The license renewal means that Google will have a chance to see if it can build other lines of existing business in China: advertising, mapping and the Android operating system for mobiles.
Although Google's China license runs until 2012, it must be renewed annually. The company applied for renewal before the June 30 filing deadline.
In a letter requesting Google's license renewal, the company's local partner, Guxiang Information Technology Co. Ltd., pledged to "abide by the Chinese law" and "provide no lawbreaking contents," the state-run Xinhua News Agency reported.
Xinhua had reported Google was "very late" in submitting the application. Phone calls to the regulator, the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, before Friday's news were not answered, and a foreign ministry spokesman, Qin Gang, said simply, "Internet operating companies, while doing business in China, should abide by Chinese laws and regulations."
For China, the renewal takes a high-profile dispute out of the headlines at a time when American and European businesses are changing their once bullish attitudes about the China market and complaining about unfair regulations and other obstacles.
"Basically, this was a smart move on the part of the Chinese government to kind of defuse the situation so that the Google search engine will still be available in China," said Paul Denlinger, an Internet consultant for startups. He said that the friction between Google and China won't disappear but will temporarily dissipate.
Among the things to look out for in coming months, Denlinger says, is whether Google services will continue to be featured on new mobile phones. Motorola, he said, had in recent months been replacing Google functions with those of its Chinese rival, Baidu.

> The renewal has been in doubt due to the tense relations between Google and Chinese authorities over censorship of Google search results.
Google runs the ire of countries opposed to free speech, such as China and Australia.

>154 Tomahawks per sub
But how will America's clean cut soldiers fight back when their hand is covered in sticky gism from too much fapping at kawaii OP?

simple, they wear rubber gloves while fapping to op.

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> simple, they wear rubber gloves while fapping to op.

My patriotic penis is satisfied!

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SHANGHAI, China - Factory workers demanding better wages and working conditions are hastening the end of an era of cheap costs that helped make southern coastal China the world's factory floor.

Strikes over the last two months have been a rude wake-up call for the many foreign companies that depend on China's low costs to compete overseas, from makers of Christmas trees to makers of gadgets such as the iPad.

Where once low-tech factories and scant wages were welcomed in a China eager to escape isolation and poverty, workers now demand a bigger share of the profit. The government, meanwhile, is pushing foreign companies to invest in high tech and other areas it believes will create greater wealth for China.

Many companies are striving to stay profitable by shifting factories to cheaper locations farther inland or to other developing countries. A few are even resuming production in the West.

"China is going to go through a very dramatic period. The big companies are starting to exit," said Rick Goodwin, a China trade veteran of 22 years, whose company links foreign buyers with Chinese suppliers.

Goodwin says dissatisfied workers and hard-to-predict exchange rates are his top worries.

Beijing's decision to stop tethering the Chinese currency to the U.S. dollar, allowing it to appreciate and thus boosting costs in yuan, has multiplied the uncertainty for companies already struggling with meager profit margins.

Wham-O Inc., which created the Hula Hoop and Slip 'N Slide, decided to bring half of its Frisbee production and some production of other items back to the United States.

At the other end of the scale, some in research-intensive sectors such as pharmaceutical, biotech, and other life-sciences companies are also reconsidering China for reasons including costs and incentives offered in other countries.

"Life-sciences companies have shifted some production back to the U.S. from China. In some cases, the U.S. was becoming cheaper," said Sean Correll, director of consulting services for Emptoris, based in Burlington, Mass.

Even with recent increases, wages for Chinese workers are still a fraction of those for Americans. But studies do show China's overall cost advantage is shrinking.

Labor costs have been climbing about 15 percent a year since a 2008 labor-contract law that made workers more aware of their rights. Tax preferences for foreign companies ended in 2007. Land, water, energy, and shipping costs are rising.

In its most recent survey, issued in February, restructuring firm Alix Partners found that, overall, China was more expensive than Mexico, India , Vietnam, Russia, and Romania.

Mexico, in particular, has gained an edge, thanks to the North American Free Trade Agreement and to fast, inexpensive trucking, says Mike Romeri, an executive with Emptoris, the consulting firm.

Makers of toys and trinkets, Christmas trees, and cheap shoes already have folded by the thousands or moved away, some to Vietnam, Indonesia , or Cambodia. But those countries lack the huge workforce, infrastructure, and markets China can offer, and most face the same labor issues as China.

So far, the biggest impact appears to be around Shenzhen, a former fishing village in Guangdong province, bordering Hong Kong, that is home to thousands of export manufacturers.

That includes Taiwan-based Foxconn Technology, a supplier of iPhones and iPads to Apple Inc . Foxconn responded to suicides at its Shenzhen complex with pay increases that more than doubled basic monthly worker salaries to $290. Strike-stricken suppliers to Honda Motor Co. and Toyota Motor Corp., among many others, also have raised wages.

Foxconn refused repeated requests for comment on plans to move much of its manufacturing capacity to central China's impoverished Henan province, where a local government website has advertised for tens of thousands of workers on its behalf.

But among other projects farther inland, Foxconn is teaming up with some of the biggest global computer-makers to build what may be the world's largest laptop-production hub in Chongqing, a western China city of 32 million, where labor costs are estimated to be 20 percent to 40 percent lower than in coastal cities.

All workers all over the world should do the same, force the big capital to pay you a fair wage. Workers of the world unite!

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>srs chinese military

>kawaii OP?

People actually think she's cute? She looks like a slant-eyed Kermit the Frog.

You truly sicken me, she is gorgeous.

The china sticky isn't working.

The china spam is still flowing, abit thinly disguised as other countries news now.

/r/ moderation, china IP bans, and IP bans for china spammer.

Nobody is spamming anything, these threads are days old, I see no more then 2-3 at most were people are discussing china through derailed threads. Yet people also derailed other threads more often with other topics.

Get the fuck over your self and get the fuck out, threads get derailed all the time. It's no where near as bad as it was before, just leave, all you do is sage random threads and add no discussion to anything on this board, you are of zero value to this board and are better suited on /baw/, I suggest you go back there.

U MAD chink?

Why dont you BAWWW a little harder or post some more china spam if you have the balls to do it?

Not a chink you shit poster, I'm just tired of your weasel ways, request ban on this shit poster.


You are the one who appears to be mad, as you are bumping many of my old threads.

Request permanent ban this poster, for bumping all threads from page 6 then when new threads reach page 6 he bumps those too. Then he continuously bumps other old threads with one word or sentence responses to cover threads he does not like while in the process pruning half of /n/.

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The overall prevalence of erectile dysfunction among Chinese men is more than 26 percent, according to a study by researchers with the Chinese Medical Association.

Among men over 40, at least 40 percent experience male impotence, a sexual dysfunction characterized by the inability to develop or maintain an erection of the penis sufficient for satisfactory sexual performance, said Wang Xiaofeng, director of the urology surgery department with Peking University People's Hospital.

He made the remarks while making a report during the Fifth China Andrology Forum in Beijing over the weekend, according to a report from the China News Service.

In comparison, United States' researchers in 2007 reported that the overall prevalence of erectile dysfunction among US men was 18.4 percent, according to US media HealthDay news.

Wang said that about 83 percent of the sufferers in China "never sought medical treatment for the disease."

Poor public awareness and the underlying social stigma related to the disease are mainly to be blamed for that, he said.

The released figures are based on surveys on erectile dysfunction carried out in 11 cities.

Men who reported being sometimes able or never able to get and keep an erection in the past three months were defined as suffering erectile dysfunction, Wang said.

For the majority of sufferers the cause was psychological, only 7.2 percent was caused by physical conditions. Some 30 percent suffered from both mental and physical causes, he said.

Many men with erectile dysfunction had at least one risk factor for cardiovascular disease, such as diabetes, hypertension, poor cholesterol levels or a habitual smoker. Most sufferers also didn't partake in any vigorous physical exercise, Wang said.

The findings showed that lifestyle changes like more exercises and measures to prevent cardiovascular disease and diabetes, would help prevent erectile function. Wang urged people experiencing the problem to seek medical help as soon as possible.

A high-quality sex life is an indispensable part of a happy life and an increasing number of Chinese are starting to recognize that, he said.

In December, a Chinese man suffering from erectile dysfunction for a long time killed his wife after she had teased him for being unable to make love to her, reported Yangcheng Evening News of southern Guangzhou city.

In a 2009 survey on people's sex life satisfaction, China ranked the 11th among 13 Asian countries.

in before ISN butthurt.

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White men more likely to suffer erectile dysfunction than Black or Asian men - study Black and Asian men are less likely to suffer with moderate to severe erectile dysfunction (impotence) than white men. This is the astonishing findings from a study carried out by the Department of Urology at University of California, San Francisco, US.

The burden of erectile dysfunction (ED) among different racial and ethnic groups is unclear, in part, because prior studies have not included all four major racial and ethnic groups in the same population-based sample.

To determine the prevalence and odds of ED among all four major racial and ethnic groups after adjustment for demographic,
medical, socio-economic, and lifestyle characteristics
This cross-sectional study was conducted using data from men, aged 45-69 years, without a diagnosis of prostate cancer (N = 78,445), who completed questionnaires as part of the California Men's Health Study, a large multi-ethnic cohort study with detailed demographic, medical and, socio-economic data.

Erectile dysfunction measured by a previously validated four-level response question.

The overall prevalence of ED by age category was 13%, 24%, and 44% for men aged 45-49 years, 50 and 59 years, and 60-69 years, respectively. In a multivariable model,

relative to white men, Hispanic (OR 1.05, 95% CI 0.99, 1.12), Asian (OR 1.1, 95% CI 1.02, 1.19), and other men (OR 1.13, 95% CI 1.06, 1.1.21) had increased odds of moderate-severe ED, while black men were less likely to report moderate to severe ED (OR 0.86, 95% CI 0.81, 0.92). Black (OR 0.54, 95% CI 0.48, 0.61) and Asian men (OR 0.91, 95% CI 0.80, 1.04) were less likely to have severe ED after adjustment for age, socio-economic status, medical co-morbidities, and lifestyle characteristics.

These data demonstrate that the prevalence of ED among different racial and ethnic groups is likely the result of complex phenomena and depends upon the interplay of socio-economic, demographic, medical, cultural, and lifestyle characteristics.

After accounting for these factors, these data suggest that Asian and black men are less likely to have severe ED relative to white men.

>White men more likely to suffer erectile dysfunction than Black or Asian men - study

Now you're just being retarded. I can fap 10 or more times a day if I want to.


deny more facts, and it doesn't count if you're giving your little brothers handjobs.

The "study" you link to doesn't even go to a webpage for the content you just posted, and why should any study be taken seriously when your other chink pal denies any penis size "study" that discounts asians from having the tiny rice grains they call testicles?

And keep your deviant sexually repressed humor to yourself, you goldfish.


I found the Chinese /n/!

If you want to chat on an East Asian board, come to 2ch's English section:

I used to post in the Chat in English threads. We've lost a lot of the older and better posters, like bored housewife, Japanese white nationalist and the onanism enthusiast but there are still some funny discussions.

613 :名無しさん@そうだ選挙に行こう:2010/07/10(土) 23:56:33
I'm Japanese but won't go to vote tomorrow for the election.
I am hikikomori so what's the point in bothering to go to vote?
I don't care what party will win. I spend less than average consumers in Japan
so raising consumption tax isn't that big problem to me.

I wish the planet earth explode tomorrow.
My wish is trigger-happy party becomes a leading party of Japan and wage war against
insane countries like North Korea. The Kim jon Il, the leader of NK launch
Nuclear weapons and BANG! Smash! WHATEVER! The world is over and that's what I want.

Japanese existentialism at its finest.

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ever hear of something called a "search engine"? it's common knowledge that whites have tiny dicks they can't get up. subhuman.

We've been over this, retard newfag. Your sources are shit.

Cool. And apparently a lot of the old ones are archived.


Yeah because yours are great

Oh whoops they're shit and mine are awesome

Ask your friend ISN what the SOLE study is that he uses, and then see the date on it..enough said. Parasite.


Dumbass, they're from like 10-15 years ago. Your IQs haven't gone up and you haven't been getting any taller- the same isn't true for Japanese.

You're so fucking butthurt over having a small dick and being unattractive to East Asian women who want East Asian men. Hahaha butthurt.

>Dumbass, they're from like 10-15 years ago.

Dumbass, that would be a superb point if the paper was taken seriously and/or was credible.

Here's the link, gweilo.

Fact is, the majority of mainland erectile dysfunction happens due to psychological problems, i.e. stress. Living in mainland China right now is relatively stressful compared with the West. This study shows that in a less stressful environment Asians 'perform' better.

>discounts asians from having the tiny rice grains they call testicles?
I would like to see your source for this, gweilo.

Ahh, so now it's all starting to make sense why the Chinese come in here to attempt to antagonize or "correct" gweilos....Give it up noodledick, you're not going to kill my cool.

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Texting and typing are replacing the elaborate strokes that make up written Chinese. And when it comes time to jot down a few words, more Chinese are realizing they can't remember exactly how.

For Ma Silang, the long descent into forgetfulness began after he graduated from high school, went off to London for three years to study photography and bought his first computer.

Now the 30-year-old fashion photographer, a native Beijinger, has such difficulty writing in his mother tongue that the other day when he was scribbling a shopping list for himself he suddenly realized that he had forgotten one of two characters that make up the Chinese word for "shampoo."

"It is inevitable that we forget our Chinese characters unless we make a special effort to practice writing a few hours each week, and who has time for that?" said Ma, looking up from an iPhone on which he was tapping a message while waiting for his MacBook to be repaired at Beijing's Apple store.

This is a strange new form of illiteracy — or, more exactly, dysgraphia, the inability to write — that is peculiar to China. The epicenter of the contagion is in places like the Apple store, a multilevel, glass-facaded emporium for China's tech-savvy.

The typical victim is someone like Ma — dressed in a pinstriped, button-down shirt, Bermuda shorts and loafers, he looks as if he stepped out of a Ralph Lauren ad — who is young, well-educated and affluent.

The more gadgets people own — cellphones, smart phones, computers — the less often they go through the elaborate sequence of strokes that make up Chinese characters. Whether on their computers or texting on phones, most Chinese use a system where they type out the sound of the word in Pinyin, the most commonly used Romanization system — and presto, they are given a choice of characters to use.

No muss, no fuss, no pens, no pencils — not to speak of inkwells and calligraphy brushes.

"People don't write anything by hand anymore except for name and address," admitted Ma.

Almost any Chinese person you meet will confess to a lapse of memory, almost like a senior moment. The hand clutching the pen or pencil is poised above a sheet of paper about to write a character learned in childhood and memorized in countless repetitions when — suddenly — an embarrassing pause.

In an April poll commissioned by the China Youth Daily, 83% of the 2,072 respondents acknowledged problems with writing characters. The phenomenon is so common that there is even a name for it, tibiwangzi, which translates to "take pen, forget character."

"The other day I was writing a note by hand and when I came to the word zaijian [goodbye], I did sort of a double-take because I wasn't sure I'd written the zai correctly," said 18-year-old Cheng Jing, a college freshman.

To some extent, similar problems arise anywhere that people rely on technology rather than memory — outsourcing of the brain, as they call it in the many treatises that address the question of whether computers and the Internet are stifling our intelligence.

In China, the situation rises to the level of a cultural crisis since the characters, more than any other facet of life, epitomize thousands of years of tradition.

Chinese is the oldest continuously used writing system in the world; the characters used today can be traced to pictographs found on bones and turtle shells dating to 1200 BC.

Even though in the 1950s Mao Tse-tung ordered the simplification of many characters to promote wider literacy, much of childhood in China is still spent memorizing and copying. By the time students are 15, they will have spent about four to five hours per day over nine years learning to write a minimum of 3,000 characters.

Writing, moreover, is not merely about communication — in Chinese culture, it is an art form and spiritual exercise, believed by some to improve concentration, longevity and even martial arts skills.

"These characters are in the soul of every Chinese person," said Wang Jianxue, a 38-year-old calligraphy teacher from Harbin who was lovingly leafing through the stacks at a bookstore in Liulichang, a street of quiet shops that sell brushes, ink stones, rubbings, scrolls and curios. "The nation has to maintain its personality through its characters. They are our cultural heritage. The computer is just a tool."

Outside the shop, a man in white silk pajamas traced characters in water on the pavement with a device that looked more like a sponge mop than a brush. "This is my hobby," 41-year-old Wang Jiazhong said as he wrote out the characters meaning "beautiful spring day" and then watched them disappear as the water evaporated in the beating sun.

"Chinese people these days care only about material life. Even in Japan and Korea more people practice calligraphy than here. How could such a thing happen when the characters began here?" he complained. "The government has to do something. Without government intervention, people won't pay attention."

In fact, the Chinese government is beginning to take notice. In 2008, the Education Ministry surveyed 3,000 teachers around the country and found 60% complaining about declining writing ability. As a result, the ministry last year launched a writing competition with 10 million participants and has begun pilot programs to make students do more handwriting.

"It is not about producing beautiful calligraphy," said Yu Hong, who runs the ministry's program on writing language. "We want to help students to come back to writing again."

The decline of handwriting probably has less to do with the computer than the cellphone. The Chinese do more text messaging than anybody else in the world, perhaps because it is an inexpensive way to communicate and because the Chinese language can squeeze a lot of information into a small space. (One example is a single character, pronounced "zha," which means the red dots that appear on your nose when you are drunk.)

With cellphones that have a stylus and touch screen, you can draw the character you want to text, and many older Chinese prefer that method. But younger Chinese, who are more comfortable with the alphabet, will write out the Romanized version of the word — or an abbreviation, such as "bei" for Beijing.

Last year, educators held the first nationwide conference on the issue. Among the remedial measures discussed is requiring college students to write out papers by hand, which would have the added benefit of making it harder for them to plagiarize by cutting and pasting text from the Internet.

"I tell my students I find reading their handwriting to be a pleasure, but most of my colleagues frankly don't want to bother," said Lu Lingxiao, a professor at Guangxi University, who was a participant at the conference in the southern city of Nanning. "If my colleagues and the government don't start taking it seriously, I worry that our level of literacy will suffer."

Many young Chinese are sufficiently concerned that they have taken it upon themselves to study calligraphy.

"It will take a lot of effort to preserve our Chinese characters. It is the same way they try to preserve these old hutongs," said Zhu Linfei, 24, a Beijing graduate student, referring to the traditional Beijing alleys, now rapidly succumbing to the wrecking ball.

Zhu, who was touring the old bookstores of Liulichang with her classmates to buy calligraphy books, estimated that she had already forgotten about 20% of the characters she knew in high school.

"But it's not such a big problem," she said. "If I don't know a character, I take out my cellphone to check.",0,1979965,full.story

The Chinese "alphabet" is archaic and obsolete. They should be happy that it's being phased out.

Chinese characters look a lot nicer when it comes to literature and poetry though. Who wants to see the same twenty-something letters over and over?

> Who wants to see the same twenty-something letters over and over?

Apparently the richest culture of literature in global history.

can ALL china troll posts be banned?

Also, if this thread and the other sticky can get merged together into a locked sticky, that would be even better.

It's like you live and breathe shitty ideas.


Give it up microdick

it's funny how he always shows Japan instead of China


it's funny how you're a subhuman chimp

that and China is larger than Japan, period... just showing how the largest whites are smaller than the smallest East Asians

> the largest whites are smaller than the smallest East Asians

lol @ chimp fantasies


lol subhuman chimp calling humans chimps


Ah, the Chinese mating call.

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A number of recent events suggest a pattern of increased tensions possibly leading to a large-scale war. The latest was the appearance of a "UFO" over a large Chinese city. Prisonplanet commented:

"If this was a secret Chinese military aircraft, as authorities claim, why would they fly it over a populated area unless they wanted to send a message to the United States that it by no means has a monopoly on sophisticated black budget technology?"

UFO Is Secret Chinese Military Aircraft

Could this really be a card played by the Asians to counter the US military build-up in the region, which brought there up to 450 Tomahawk-cruise missiles in late June in US subs, among other things?

Jim Tucker, the researcher on the Bilderberg group reported that the Illuminati is going to push for bombing of Iran.

We have also seen pressure put on Iran's allies China and Russia with the sinking of the South Korean vessel Cheonan back in March.

The investigation of Cheonan set up by South Korea and it's western allies has been quite hazy. The evidence found by the international "team of experts", used to condemn North Korea hasn't convinced everybody, even in South Korea. At least one South Korean assistant investigator for the team voiced his concern that the evidence had been tampered with.

The evidence South Korea and the US presented to the UN Security Council was so weak that even though the UN council condemned the sinking of Cheonan, they couldn't pin the guilt on the North.

After a recent UN statement didn't specifically condemn North Korea, the North is now even willing to start new nuclear disarmament negotiations. This move by the North must annoy the Illuminati, but there are always those Iranian nuclear sites to bomb.

Here is a good blog on the Cheonan investigation. The incident smells like another 'false flag' by the war industrial complex.

In the past week, there has been other new "tensions" between Russia and the US, the "odd" Russian spy episode, the signing of the missile shield deal in Poland, and Hillary Clinton's statements that Russia has no right to it's self proclaimed "spheres of influence" in the Caucuses region.

The situation in Kyrgyzstan and Central Asia in general will also assist in building tension between the Super States, and give opportunities for troop manoeuvring.

Turkey is about to break it's diplomatic ties with Israel over the Gaza flotilla incident. Israel is again eyeing an attack on Hezbollah in Lebanon ( because of the gas field in Lebanon?! )

...and there's tons more of the same kind of activity around the world.

The Illuminati seems to be building up the sides for World War III, which could see a start if Israel and the US go ahead and bomb the Iranian nuclear sites.

They don't have any concrete evidence that Iran would be building a nuclear weapon, but that didn't stop them from invading Iraq either in 2003.

They forged the "yellow cake uranium" documents back then, and they are forging the evidence on Iran also.

The "alleged studies" found in a lap top (or was it put there afterwards??) and the document evidence of a Iranian 'nuclear trigger' seems to come from Mossad.

Here are few articles by IPS on these Iranian document forgeries:

Iran Nuke Laptop Data Came from Terror Group

New Revelations Tear Holes in Nuclear Trigger Story

Postscript on Tesla Technology & UFO's

The so called UFO-technology is man made, not ET-technology. This anti-gravity electro propulsion-system was invented by Nikola Tesla in the late 19th century. It is based on earlier findings by Lord Kelvin, H. A. Rowland, Edwin Hall etc. and the scientific findings involved in this anti-gravity technology can be sourced back to these scientists. So regardless of what the sci-fi sites on the Internet say, there was no extraterrestrials involved in the discovery of this amazing anti-gravity propulsion-technology.

So could it be that the Asians are countering the Western Illuminati's plans for WW III to be fought against the Muslim world (as allegedly visioned in correspondence of Albert Pike with Guiseppe Mazzini in 1871) ..and apparently also in East Asia, maybe also with Russia (or will the "white Russia" choose to be on the side of westerns??) threatening the Illuminati with disclosure of this concealed Tesla-technology? ..or was the statement given to China Daily about this "UFO tying to the Chinese military" just a slip of the tongue?

..Didn't Benjamin Fulford report earlier that the Asians were going to counter the western Illuminati with a move like this, by releasing some of the concealed technology invented by Nikola Tesla?

However it is, at least we the "sheeple" should raise noise about this "Chinese military explanation" to the Hangzhou UFO, so that this Nikola Tesla's wonderful invention could see the light of day, and find it's way to where Nikola Tesla always intended it to be; in the hands of the people of the world.

Here are few links where you can find more information on this Tesla's "flying saucer" and on the principles this technology operates:

Tesla's (real) Flying Machine ..quotes made by Tesla on his "flying machine" invention:

Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity's_Dynamic_Theory_of_Gravity

Good books on the Tesla "flying machine" and other human built saucers are..

Occult Ether Physics - Tesla's Hidden Space Propulsion System and The Conspiracy To Conceal It:

..and Pentagon Aliens by William R. Lyne

Hitler's Flying Saucers - A Guide to German Flying Discs of the Second World War by Henry Stevens

People interested in the matter of the Hangzhou UFO and it's possible "military connection", should keep watching China Daily (use the search engine).

Flights diverted, delayed as UFO detected hovering over province

UFO remains a mystery


Actually, the white mating call

Aside from "NO DADDY"

  white chimp stupidity kills innocent east asians

>to attempt to antagonize or "correct" gweilos
I live in Hong Kong, gweilo. Besides, I hardly need to strain myself to correct your gweilo fantasies, and incorrect they are.

It's funny that you think in your butthurt that I'm trying to give you erectile dysfunction, though.

Another example of the CCP taking notice of a growing problem and nipping it in the bud. Watch as this goes unresolved in countries like India.

lol @ gweilo thinking Chinese characters are anything like an 'alphabet'. Each character is a combination of a root (meaning) and a semantic determinative (context).

The character 采 (to pluck) is formed from the components 爫 (a hand) and 木 (a tree).

>Apparently the richest culture of literature in global history.
lol @ gweilo eurocentrism.

goddamn communist filth. people like you are what ruined hong kong. get the fuck out of my city.

>lol @ gweilo eurocentrism.

That's not eurocentrism gweilofag, it's fact. No literature trumps Western literature, especially the great Russian novelists/playwrites/poets such as Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Chekhov, Goncharov, Gogol etc.

To deny this is just being willfully ignorant. Anyone with a cursory knowledge of literature acknowledges it, and this is coming from someone who has read Xueqin.

>goddamn communist filth.
You are an idiot if you think that China is communist, or that you have to be communist to support the CCP. That, or you're a running dog of the West to parrot their propaganda.

>people like you are what ruined hong kong.
No, people who are 'ruining' Hong Kong are the impressionable retards like you who likes to complain about anything and everything the government does, and sit in the streets disrupting traffic because they don't get their way. Why don't you go fellatio Long Hair more, faggot.

I have a sneaking suspicion that you're a gweilo.

>No literature trumps Western literature, especially the great Russian novelists/playwrites/poets such as Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Chekhov, Goncharov, Gogol etc.
Tell me, gweilo. How do you rank classics to determine what is the 'greatest' or 'richest'? And are Russians really part of the West?

By far the average Chinese read more written masterpieces and classics than the average gweilo, and our literature culture goes back thousands of years, with poems, proverbs and novels.

Xueqin was one author, although one of the greatest. Even then, his magnum opus remained unfinished.

>How do you rank classics to determine what is the 'greatest' or 'richest'?

Lots of factors: Quality of prose, depth of characters, themes explored, extent to which said themes are explored, interplay between characters and themes and so on. Now, as it stands, no novelist before or since has managed to challenge the likes of Dostoevsky on these counts, Brothers Karamazov is labyrinthine in its depth, and although I like Dream of the Red Chamber, its characters aren't as deep in terms of motivation (introspection of the protagonists plays a big part here) and their relationships with other characters as they are in say.... Crime and Punishment.

>And are Russians really part of the West?

Yes. Of course. Not really politically, in fact politically they're just pragmatists, like China. But culturally and racially speaking, they are.

>Even then, his magnum opus remained unfinished.

Same with Virgil.

>Quality of prose, depth of characters, themes explored, extent to which said themes are explored, interplay between characters and themes and so on.
And this exists in spades in Chinese literature. Are you reading them in their original form or a translation?

>Dream of the Red Chamber
Is but one of the classics. Three Kingdoms? Water Margin? What about poetry? Our 4-character proverbs?

China is the largest publisher of books, magazines, and newspapers in the world. Great writers cannot be solely responsible for the richness of a literate culture, they are nothing without a public that enjoys reading.


>And this exists in spades in Chinese literature.

To a degree, yes. This is undeniable. But compare the interplay of Baoyu in Red Chamber with the supporting cast of characters to say, the way the Karamazov brothers interact with one another.

I liked Baoyu, but he just wasn't as deep in his motives and there wasn't as much philosophical exposition (although the Taoist elements were a nice touch). Russian novels are like Russian dolls, they're multi-layered, no one character is how he ostensibly appears, even the supporting characters. I haven't found anything comparable to this depth in Chinese Literature.

>Are you reading them in their original form or a translation?


>Is but one of the classics. Three Kingdoms? Water Margin? What about poetry? Our 4-character proverbs?

I'm not going to turn this into one-upmanship, but Europe simply has more great classics.

>China is the largest publisher of books, magazines, and newspapers in the world. Great writers cannot be solely responsible for the richness of a literate culture, they are nothing without a public that enjoys reading.

Not true, proles contribute nothing to culture in whatever country they come from.

Prole culture is generally shit.

Athens you should read House Of The Dead by Dostoyevsky, I rank it just as highly as his most well known 4 masterpieces especially for character psychology. Also do you read the Constance Garnett translations in glorious Victorian language or modern translations? I prefer the Garnett even though they may over-flourish at times. Reading your interaction with gweilofag, I don't think you need to even go as far as the listing anything past some of Dostoyevsky's short stories like The Eternal Husband and The Gambler to overshadow most of Chinese literature..

Also...I noticed in your reply to the chimp, that you left out Gorky and Leonov. They should always be listed along with the other greats imo, definitely read Gorky's City Of The Yellow Devil or Foma Gordeyev...and Skutarevsky by Leonov. Then again you probably might not like Gorky because of your politics.

Haven't read any Gorky or Leonov unfortunately. My favorite Dostoevsky short story is White Nights if I'm being honest, because the protagonist reminds me of /a/, heh. I like Tolstoy's The Two Hussars as well among his short stories.

>Gorky's City Of The Yellow Devil or Foma Gordeyev...and Skutarevsky by Leonov.

I'll pick these up, regardless of Gorky's politics. Got a huge backlog of stuff to read at the moment though.

> Also do you read the Constance Garnett translations in glorious Victorian language or modern translations?

Forgot to answer this. Yes I do, I prefer older translations. I don't like newer translations of most things, they seem to be less.... poetic and more like a machine translation.

And to follow up, this goes for English prose in general. People say Gibbon's Decline and Fall is hard to read for example, when I find the exact opposite: It's wonderful to read, but modern historical authors are generally pretty shitty and boring, with the exception of people like the late Ronald Syme. J.J. Norwich is pretty good too.

Yes. You may not know this but Gorky also wrote quite a number of plays, I have a collection of them but have not read them yet to compare with Chekhov....

Without fail get the Garnett for House Of The Dead...look around ebay for a softcover, a series called The Laurel Dostoyevsky from Dell publishing in the 60s and 70s usually are available..I got lucky once and also bought a big hardcover limited edition from Macmillian with beautiful wood engravings. Anyway, good taste in Russian lit, and glad to see Gogol in there, Taras Bulba is incredible.

>I haven't found anything comparable to this depth in Chinese Literature.
That's because you've read one book, and a translated one at that. A lot of the gleam of Chinese classics is in word-play and double meanings hidden by text.

Maybe you should pick up Water Margin and Three Kingdoms as well, and of course Journey to the West so you can say you've read the four classics.

>I'm not going to turn this into one-upmanship, but Europe simply has more great classics.
>I'm not going to turn this into one-upmanship, but 'one-upmanish opinion'.
Right. It's funny because the gweilo who originally made the claim you are now defending is talking about ENGLISH literature.

>Not true, proles contribute nothing to culture in whatever country they come from.
The more readers of classics, the less proles. Please don't compare your gweilo 'fuck books' culture with ours.

>to overshadow most of Chinese literature..
>Implying you could make an unbiased judgement, or you've read any Chinese literature.

What Chinese novel -would- you say rivals Brothers Karamazov then and for what reasons? Namely, does it explore philosophical themes in the same way, does it have similar psychological depth etc.

>It's funny because the gweilo who originally made the claim you are now defending is talking about ENGLISH literature.


That's an unfair comparison as you well know for obvious reasons.

A better comparison is European vs. Chinese literature. Or European vs. Northeast Asian literature.

>The more readers of classics, the less proles.

I'm talking about the culture proles produce. Not whether or not them reading classical literature is going to make them less prole like.

> Please don't compare your gweilo 'fuck books' culture with ours.

Bullshit. That's just a media meme, most people middle class and above read books, all of my friends did at school, or at least, nearly all of them.

Are you suggesting Chinese pop culture trash smells any better than Western pop culture trash? Now who is play at oneupmanship? Go and look at all those awful novels by female Shanghainese if you want a good idea of the universally bad nature of pop culture.

>What Chinese novel -would- you say rivals Brothers Karamazov then and for what reasons?
If you wishes to look for modern existentialism and atheism vs theism, you won't find it in the classics. We don't really have that struggle or angst worth writing about back then.

For modern novels, look out for The Family (by Ba Jin), Call to Arms (a series of short stories by Lu Xun), Rickshaw Boy (Lao She), Border Town (Shen Congwen).

There's plenty of character interaction and philosophy to be found in Three Kingdoms and Water Margin, but I suggest you read those more like a psuedo-historic novels than how you read the Brothers.

>That's an unfair comparison as you well know for obvious reasons.
Er, why? It was not me who makes such a retarded comparison. Perhaps you should read carefully the opinion of the idiots you wish to defend before you charge in.

>Not whether or not them reading classical literature is going to make them less prole like.
This must be a gweilo thing, because I don't have a clue what you are saying.

>most people middle class and above read books
Yes, but 'middle class and above' are a minority.

>all of my friends did at school, or at least, nearly all of them.
You are required to read to learn at school. I'm talking about people who read because they want to broaden their horizons, or because they enjoy to.

And it is fact that Chinese on average read more than the average gweilo.

>Are you suggesting Chinese pop culture trash smells any better than Western pop culture trash?
No, and I agree with you here. However, I was explicitly talking of the 'culture' of Chinese more in favour of reading than the West.

>Now who is play at oneupmanship?
I am not the one saying our culture produces more and greater literature. In disputing your point I am stating that we are at least equals, not better.

>What Chinese novel -would- you say rivals Brothers Karamazov then and for what reasons?

The Joy Luck Club

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SHANGHAI — A week after the Agricultural Bank of China raised nearly $20 billion from global investors in one of the biggest stock offerings in history, analysts are warning about growing risks to China’s banking system.

A report released on Wednesday by Fitch, the credit ratings agency, said Chinese banks were increasingly engaging in complex transactions that hid the size and nature of their lending, obscuring hundreds of billions of dollars in loans and possibly even masking a coming wave of bad real estate and infrastructure loans.

The report also said that Chinese regulators significantly understated loan growth in the first half of the year, by 28 percent, or about $190 billion, and that many banks continued to secretly shift loans off the books, resulting in a “pervasive understatement of credit growth and credit exposure.”

“The growing amount of credit moving out of the banking system through these channels is one of the most disconcerting trends we’ve seen in China in recent years,” Charlene Chu, a Beijing-based banking analyst at Fitch, said of the practice of repackaging loans and moving them off bank balance sheets.

While China’s economy remains robust, the report is troubling because the country’s recovery has been fueled by aggressive lending and soaring property prices. Lending by state-run banks was one of China’s most aggressive forms of economic stimulus last year, but analysts constantly warned that banks could face the risk from overbuilding and nonperforming loans.

Beijing is trying to tame housing prices, rein in overly aggressive lending and stop banks from shifting loans off their books.

China’s biggest banks, like Bank of China and China Construction Bank, are relatively healthy, analysts say. But many banks could face sizable risks if borrowers failed to repay the loans.

The Fitch report does not name any banks specifically, but it raises concerns about the health of China’s banks as many begin to raise capital through initial public offerings. The Agricultural Bank begins trading on Thursday in Shanghai, while three other big state banks, including the Bank of China, have each raised billions of dollars in public listings in the last five years.

Analysts say that trying to rein in growth is a delicate and precarious balancing act and that even regulators are struggling to keep up with the rapid innovation in the banking system.

Chinese banks reported a sharp drop in lending in the first half of the year after record amounts in 2009, suggesting that the economy was growing at a strong clip with more normalized lending.

But Fitch said on Wednesday that lending had continued to be aggressive — powering the economy, but raising the risk of nonperforming loans.

Much of the lending through off-balance-sheet channels is fueled by privately owned trust companies that are partnering with banks and engaging in complex deals that involve repackaging loans into investment products — akin to an informal type of securitization.

The deals are essentially disguised loans, analysts say. Beijing has tried repeatedly to stop the practice, but analysts say that banks and trust companies have come up with innovative ways around the rules.

Last week, the China Banking Regulatory Commission ordered banks to stop working with trust companies to securitize or repackage loans, according to industry analysts. But the regulator made no official announcement.

A spokesman in Beijing for the commission declined to comment on Wednesday, insisting that senior officials needed to be alerted to the request for an interview.

Analysts are examining what appears to be a widespread practice of funneling billions of dollars into real estate and government infrastructure projects through off-balance-sheet deals with trust companies.

Stephen Green, a Shanghai-based analyst at Standard Chartered Bank, said trust companies in China were acting as intermediaries and partnering with banks to raise and then lend money to a variety of projects.

According to his estimate, trust companies raised hundreds of billions of dollars in 2009 and the first five months of 2010, partly because depositors were frustrated by low interest rates at banks, and trust companies were willing to offer double that amount with principal guaranteed.

Mr. Green called the practice troublesome.

“There’s limited transparency, so obviously that’s a red flag,” he said in a telephone interview.

Worries about a potential wave of bad loans have led regulators to pressure Chinese banks to raise more capital and strengthen their balance sheets.

Banks have also been pressed to lower their exposure to local government debt — money often raised for huge infrastructure projects.

But analysts now say they believe that banks are lowering their exposure to local debt and hiding the size of their lending by working even more aggressively with trust companies.

Analysts say that last year the process worked something like this: a bank would hand over a big loan, say $50 million, to a private trust company in exchange for $50 million in cash. Then the trust company would create a wealth management product out of the loan and give it to the bank to sell to investors and depositors. The money raised would be given back to the trust company.

Investors would receive as much as double the regular saving rate and their principal when the loan was repaid.

That $50 million would then be given to the trust company as if it were an investment; in fact, it was a short-term, high-interest loan to finance a real estate project.

Now, analysts say, to get around new regulations, the transactions are much more complex, but have the same aim — to pretend that a loan is an investment.

If the developer or trust company fails and cannot repay the loan, analysts say the banks could face huge, unrecognized risks. But curtailing the practice will not be easy, Ms. Chu at Fitch Ratings said.

“Before, banks were trying to create these things with trust companies to get them out,” she said. “But now, with inflation and interest rates so low, and property prices low, bank customers are going into banks and demanding this option.”

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THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY is planning to use the Internet as a weapon to keep it in power.

An internal memo that accidentally ended up on the party's website detailed a plan to use the Internet in order to "create an international public opinion environment that is objective, beneficial and friendly to us."

Wang Chen - a man with more Chinese government credits to his name than Lord Mandy - continued by claiming that the effort to engineer the Internet would help in "assisting in our diplomatic battles and safeguarding our national interests."

Although much of that might seem like the crazy ramblings of a tin-pot dictator, Chen's speech takes a sinister turn when he says the Internet has "increased the government's capabilities in social management." According to Chen, Chinese government agencies at all levels "have gradually built mechanisms to guide public opinion through integrating the functions of propaganda departments," with the Internet being just another tool for the rulers to use towards that goal.

Wang also references the need for filtering content by claiming that access to foreign websites can result in "all sorts of harmful foreign information to appear on our domestic internet". All of this points to the Chinese government creating their own intranet in order to push its ideals into the minds of its populace.

Whether or not any part of China's proposed intranet will have access to the global Internet should greatly influence the usefulness of it as a communications medium. Currently China has a firewall and censors to filter out content. By creating its own network it can easily limit and control the content available online to its huge population, without having to worry about proxies or other network access obsfucation techniques.

The leaked China government memo had no information on when the Chinese version of the Internet and walled garden internet will be rolled out, but we suspect that's because it's already here and tightening.

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BEIJING – The government calls it "sealed management." China's capital has started gating and locking some of its lower-income neighborhoods overnight, with police or security checking identification papers around the clock, in a throwback to an older style of control.

It's Beijing's latest effort to reduce rising crime often blamed on the millions of rural Chinese migrating to cities for work. The capital's Communist Party secretary wants the approach promoted citywide. But some state media and experts say the move not only looks bad but imposes another layer of control on the already stigmatized, vulnerable migrants.

So far, gates have sealed off 16 villages in the sprawling southern suburbs, where migrants are attracted to cheaper rents and in some villages outnumber permanent residents 10 to one.

"In some ways, this is like the conflict between Americans and illegal immigrants in the States. The local residents feel threatened by the influx of migrants," Huang Youqin, an associate professor of geography at the University at Albany in New York who has studied gating and political control in China, said in an e-mail. "The risk is that the government can control people's private life if it wants to."

The gated villages are the latest indignity for China's migrant workers, who already face limited access to schooling and government services and are routinely blamed by city folk for rising crime. Used to the hardship of the farm and the lack of privilege, migrants seem to be taking the new controls in their stride.

Jia Yangui said he accepts the new system as a trade-off for escaping farm work in the northern province of Shanxi. He arrived in Beijing less than two months ago and lives with a relative in one of the gated villages, Dashengzhuang. He sells oily pancakes just inside one of the gates.

"Anyway, it's not as strict as before, when we migrants would be detained on the way to the toilet," said Jia's relative, a middle-aged woman who gave her family name as Zheng.

"Sealed management" looks like this: Gates are placed at the street and alley entrances to the villages, which are collections of walled compounds sprinkled with shops and outdoor vendors. The gates are locked between 11 p.m. and 6 a.m., except for one main entrance manned by security guards or police, there to check identification papers. Security guards roam the villages by day.

"Closing up the village benefits everyone," read one banner which was put up when the first, permanent gated village was introduced in April.

But some Chinese question whether problems arising from growing gap between the country's rich and poor can be fixed with locks and surveillance cameras.

"It's a ridiculous idea!" said Li Wenhua, who does private welfare work with migrant workers in Beijing. "This is definitely not a good long-term strategy. The government should dig up the in-depth causes of crime and improve basic public services such as education and health care to these people."

Crime has been rising steadily over the past two decades, as China moved from state planning to free markets and Chinese once locked into set jobs began moving around the country for work. Violent crime in China jumped 10 percent last year, with 5.3 million reported cases of homicide, robbery, and rape, the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences reported in February.

"Sealed management" was born in the village of Laosanyu during the Beijing Olympics in 2008, when the government was eager to control its migrant population. The village used it again during the sensitive 60th anniversary of Communist China last year. Officials then reported the idea to township officials, who decided to make the practice permanent this year.

"Eighty percent of the permanent residents applauded the practice," said Guo Ruifeng, deputy director of Laosanyu's village committee. He didn't say how many migrants approved, though they outnumber the locals by 7,000 to 700.

"Anyway, they should understand that it is all for their safety," he said. Guards only check papers if they see anything suspicious, he said.

Gating has been an easy and effective way to control population throughout Chinese history, said Huang, the geography professor. In past centuries, some walled cities would impose curfews and close their gates overnight. In the first decades of communist rule, the desire for top-down organization and control showed in work-unit compounds, usually guarded and enclosed.

As the economy has grown, privately run gated communities with their own security have emerged in the biggest cities, catering to well-to-do Chinese and expatriates, offering upscale houses and facilities like pools and gyms.

The new gated villages in Beijing are very different.

"To put it crudely, gated communities in the city are a way for the upper middle-class and urban rich to keep out trespassers, whereas gated villages represent a way for the state to 'keep in' or contain the problem of 'migrant workers' who live in these villages," Pow Choon-Pieu, an assistant professor of geography at the National University of Singapore who has studied the issue, said in an e-mail.

Jiang Zhengqing, a supermarket owner in the gated compound of Laosanyu, told the China Daily newspaper in May that he doesn't even know if he'll be in business next year because of the drop in customers.

"Before, the streets were crowded with people in the afternoon but now the village is deserted," he said. "I can't understand why the government has invested such a large amount of money into putting up these useless fences, rather than repair our dirty public restrooms and bumpy roads.";_ylt=AlrEEJZnSOM.E.t_FHVDoHVzfNdF

stay classy ISN

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The pace of growth in the world's third-largest economy slowed in the second quarter, official figures show.

China's economy grew by 10.3% in the April to June quarter, above the government's growth target, but well below the 11.9% growth rate during the first quarter of the year.

The slowdown came as the impact of a government stimulus package faded.

The government also clamped down on a credit boom. China's economic boom is key to growth in other countries.

A slowdown could hurt China's trading partners and might hold back global recovery if the country starts to import less.

China recovered quickly from the global economic downturn, but was then faced with a boom that included a surge in house prices and fears that a speculative asset bubble was forming.

The authorities imposed limits on lending and investment.

Despite the slower pace of growth, it remains well above the official target of 8% for the year.

The latest figures leave growth for the first half at 11.1%.

The International Monetary Fund earlier this year said China's economy would expand by 10.5% this year.

>If you wishes to look for modern existentialism and atheism vs theism, you won't find it in the classics.

That's not really what Dostoevsky was about. He predates existentialism, though he has existential themes, they're not as ham fisted as later existential authors because they're woven into the narrative.

>For modern novels, look out for The Family (by Ba Jin), Call to Arms (a series of short stories by Lu Xun), Rickshaw Boy (Lao She), Border Town (Shen Congwen).

I'll have a look. I just finished Shen Fu and Pu Songling anyway. Thanks for the recommendations.

>Er, why?

Because China, present day and historically, dwarfs anglos in terms of population.

>Yes, but 'middle class and above' are a minority.

This is debateable.

> I'm talking about people who read because they want to broaden their horizons, or because they enjoy to.

Recreational reading is what I'm talking about too. All of my friends read regularly.

>I am not the one saying our culture produces more and greater literature. In disputing your point I am stating that we are at least equals, not better.

Fair enough.




I guarantee a decent minded girl like in OP's pic would never act as retarded as the specimen you posted.

> I guarantee a decent minded girl like in OP's pic would never act as retarded as the specimen you posted.

She is cute, and it's worth remembering that most people on the planet are decent people trying to live decent lives. It's politicians, governments and big business (Murdoch, British Aerospace, KBR) who whip up hatred and play us off against each other.

This is what liberals etc

> This is what liberals etc

Gee what a great comeback. I guess when you're too stupid to argue intelligently you hurr hurr and type a generic response like that. You must be a real dumb cunt IRL. Enjoy your failure.

>most people on the planet are decent people trying to live decent lives
[citation needed]

If most people on the planet were so thoroughly decent and altruistic, why don't they practice your commie wealth looting socialism spontaneously, why does it require coercive force (i.e. the barrel of a gun)?



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> If most people on the planet were so thoroughly decent and altruistic,

Yes, I see the mistake of using this line of reasoning with an American: This isn't true of the most selfish self-absorbed people on Earth. Enjoy your world dominance.

1. You're purposefully obfuscating the point and strawmanning, I'm not American by the way.

2. If people are so innately altruistic, why do you need to steal their money, why don't they practice your version of altruism spontaneously?

Strawmanning. That would be you. Who said anything about Altruism? I said:
> it's worth remembering that most people on the planet are decent people trying to live decent lives.

Mankind and society have evolved to hold compassion for others.

State welfare is an extension of that.

Actually, state welfare is needed because of that societal evolution. Primitive tribes don't have perpetual underclasses, hence they have no such concept of state welfare.

>State welfare is an extension of that.

Why does it require coercive force?

Why isn't it practiced spontanaeously?

State welfare is not needed in the slightest, it is paying people not to work, plain and simple. If they couldn't find a job they'd either be dependent on their families or the church, that's the real reason libtards pushed it in the early 20th century, because it destroyed traditional social institutions.

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In society wealth congregates for many different reasons, and once you've got wealth you can't help but grow richer. That breeds resentment. Resentment breeds revolution, gets government overthrown and sees rich people raped and strung up by their balls. State welfare staved that off, but it's gone too far. Rich assholes like Rupert Murdoch pay fuck all tax. Poor people pay fuck all tax. The bigger a company the bigger their tax breaks. It's the middle class and small business who get screwed, but not owning the media there is fuck all they can do about it.

>and once you've got wealth you can't help but grow richer.
heh, this is what libs actually believe.
hint that "growth" is just inflation

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China has passed the U.S. to become the world's biggest energy consumer, according to new data from the International Energy Agency, a milestone that reflects both China's decades-long burst of economic growth and its rapidly expanding clout as an industrial giant.

China's ascent marks "a new age in the history of energy," IEA chief economist Fatih Birol said in an interview. The country's surging appetite has transformed global energy markets and propped up prices of oil and coal in recent years, and its continued growth stands to have long-term implications for U.S. energy security.

The Paris-based IEA, energy adviser to most of the world's biggest economies, said China consumed 2.252 billion tons of oil equivalent last year, about 4% more than the U.S., which burned through 2.170 billion tons of oil equivalent. The oil-equivalent metric represents all forms of energy consumed, including crude oil, nuclear power, coal, natural gas and renewable sources such as hydropower.

China, meanwhile, disputed the IEA figures, but didn't offer alternative data, according to Zhou Xian, spokesperson for China's top energy agency.

The U.S. had been the globe's biggest overall energy user since the early 1900s, Mr. Birol said.

China overtook it at breakneck pace. China's total energy consumption was just half that of the U.S. 10 years ago, but in many of the years since, China saw annual double-digit growth rates. It had been expected to pass the U.S. about five years from now, but took the top position earlier because the global recession hit the U.S. more severely, slowing American industrial activity and energy use.

China's economic rise has required enormous amounts of energy—especially since much of the past decade's growth was fueled not by consumer demand, as in the U.S., but from energy-intense heavy industry and infrastructure building.

China's growing energy demands will present new challenges to U.S. foreign policy, as well as to international efforts to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases linked to climate change. China National Petroleum Co., the country's biggest oil company, is pushing forward with oil and gas projects in Iran, despite U.S. efforts to enforce sanctions against the Tehran government.

Beijing has refused to agree to cap its overall growth in its consumption of fossil fuels, or reduce its emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. That frustrated President Barack Obama's efforts to forge an international climate agreement at a United Nations summit in Copenhagen last December.

China instead set a target to reduce emissions intensity—the amount of carbon dioxide emitted per unit of gross domestic product—by 40% to 45% from 2005 levels by 2020. That meant China was agreeing to make its economy more energy efficient—boosting its competitiveness—but not to consume less energy overall.

China's growth has transformed global energy markets and sustained higher prices for everything from oil to uranium and other natural resources that the country has been consuming. Once, China was a major exporter of both oil and coal. Its increasing reliance on imports has sustained higher energy prices worldwide and underpinned a natural-resource boom in Africa, the Middle East and Australia.

"There is little doubt that China's growing consumption changes what ability we have to control our own destiny within global energy markets," said David Pumphrey, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "China can now demand a large space inside any energy-policy tent."

China's rapidly expanding need for energy promises to have major geopolitical implications as it hunts for ways to satisfy its needs. Already, China's rising imports have changed global geopolitics. Chinese oil and coal companies have been looking overseas in their quest to secure energy supplies, pitching the Chinese flag in places like Sudan, which Western companies had largely abandoned under international pressure.

The most ambitious effort to secure overseas energy supplies was the failed 2005 attempt Cnooc Ltd. to take over California-based Unocal in an $18 billion bid, which was trumped by politics and rival Chevron. Despite a short pullback in the aftermath of that failed deal, Chinese companies have expanded overseas, buying assets in Central Asia, Africa, South America, Canada and even small stakes in the Gulf of Mexico. While their overall overseas footprint is still small compared with that of big international oil companies, these companies are expanding with access to cheap credit through China's state-owned banks.

Voracious energy demand also helps explain why China—which gets most of its electricity from coal, the most polluting of fossil fuels—passed the U.S. in 2007 as the world's largest emitter of carbon-dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gases.

In the past, being the world's biggest consumer of fossil fuels went hand in hand with being its dominant economy. The question now is whether this will hold true in the future, as nations compete to develop new ways to produce more wealth with less energy. While China is No. 1 in consumption, the U.S. remains the world's biggest economy.

The U.S. is also by far the biggest per-capita energy consumer, with the average American burning five times as much energy annually as the average Chinese citizen, said Mr. Birol.

The U.S. also remains the biggest oil consumer by a wide margin, going through roughly 19 million barrels a day on average. China, at about 9.2 million barrels a day, runs a distant second. But many oil analysts believe U.S. crude demand has peaked or is unlikely to grow very much in coming years, because of improved energy efficiency and more stringent vehicle fuel-efficiency regulations.

China's rise is also helping shift the focus for oil producers in the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries. Key OPEC states like Saudi Arabia long looked to U.S. oil consumption for guidance in adding new pumping capacity. But in recent years, OPEC states including Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have built or started building refineries and storage facilities in Asia. Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest crude exporter, now ships more to China than to the U.S.

Prior to the global economic crisis, China had been expected to become the biggest energy consumer in about five years. Economic malaise and energy-efficiency programs in the U.S. brought forward the date, Mr. Birol said.

The decreased "energy intensity" of the U.S. economy is a key reason energy investors, such as General Electric, have increasingly looked to China as a driver of growth. Mr. Birol said China requires total energy investments of some $4 trillion over the next 20 years to keep feeding its economy and avoid power blackouts and fuel shortages.

Mr. Birol, formerly an economist at OPEC, said China is expected to build some 1,000 gigawatts of new power-generation capacity over the next 15 years. That is about equal to the current total electricity-generation capacity in the U.S.—a level achieved over several decades of construction.

China's energy intensity actually fell during the first phase of its economic growth in the 1980s and 1990s, which was driven by light manufacturing. But in the early 1990s, China became a net oil importer for the first time as its demand finally outpaced domestic supplies. China's energy demand surged again after China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001.

Before China joined the WTO, most international prognosticators, including the IEA, predicted energy demand would increase at an annual rate of 3% to 4% from 2000 to 2010. Demand wound up growing four times faster than they predicted.

There is a chance the growth in China's energy appetite could slow, as the pace of industrial expansion slows and energy-efficiency policies backed by the government—such as tougher fuel-efficiency standards for cars—take hold.

In a few years, there won't be much infrastructure left to build. Urbanization will continue, but at a slower pace. And the heavy factory jobs that consume huge amounts of energy may start to shift away to other countries partly as China's workers demand better conditions and higher salaries.

But the same force that could be moving factory jobs away—rising incomes—could also underpin even greater energy needs as richer Chinese start consuming more. The question is whether China will adopt a low-energy pathway pioneered by places like Japan and Europe or follow a high-energy life-style of big houses and big cars pioneered by the U.S.

>That's not really what Dostoevsky was about.
I see. Nevertheless, the pre-existentialism themes you find in the Brothers won't be in the Classics I've recommended you.

>Because China, present day and historically, dwarfs anglos in terms of population.
As I've repeatedly said, I was not the one who made the comparison. It was the retard gweilo you were defending when you brought up Dostoevsky et al.

>(Middle-class and above being a minority) This is debateable.
Really? I thought you consider mainstream culture to be the work of proles / the lower class.

>Gweilos baw about Chinese anti-nip protest.
>Gweilos baw when the CCP comes and suppresses protests.
lol @ hypocrites.

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Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is getting the U.S. involved in a complex, international dispute over a chain of islands in the South China Sea. China and nearby Asian states have long made competing claims as to who controls the strategically located islands. Speaking at a meeting of the Association of Southeast Asian Nation in Hanoi, Vietnam, Clinton said that the U.S. has a "national interest" in resolving the issue peacefully. Here's what's going on, why it matters, and what could happen next, according to key journalists and experts.

China's Aggressive Agenda "For decades, China has sparred with Southeast Asian nations over control of 200 tiny islands, rocks and spits of sand that dot these waters," The New York Times' Mark Landler explains. "China's maritime ambitions have expanded along with its military and economic muscle. It has long laid claim to islands in the South China Sea because they are rich in oil and natural gas deposits. And it has put American officials on notice that it will not brook foreign interference in the waters off its southeastern coast, which it views as a 'core interest' of sovereignty."

Clinton Not Taking Sides on Territorial Disputes, But China Still Mad "Clinton stressed," writes The Associated Press's Cara Anna, "that the U.S. doesn't support any country's claim over the islands but her comments are expected to anger China, which maintains it has sovereignty in the South China Sea, and insists on dealing with the dispute directly with other claimants away from the international arena.

Building Regional Cooperation in Pacific The Wall Street Journal's Jay Solomon explains the U.S. agenda. "The Obama administration is working to establish an international mechanism to resolve disputes between Asian nations over claims in the South China Sea," he writes. "The U.S., as a Pacific Ocean nation and trading power, has grown increasingly concerned about the competing claims for territory in the South China Sea. ... The dispute has raised concerns that an increasingly powerful Chinese military could seek to dominate Asian waters."

China's Long-Term Naval Expansion Robert Kaplan writes in Foreign Affairs about China's generational, 21st-century goal of using naval power and influence to expand its sphere of influence well beyond East Asia. "China will project hard power abroad primarily through its navy. ... China, owing to a 9,000-mile temperate coastline with many good natural harbors, is both a land power and a sea power.... China's virtual reach extends from Central Asia, with all its mineral and hydrocarbon wealth, to the main shipping lanes of the Pacific Ocean."

U.S.-Vietnam Relations Warming AOL News' Jonathan Adams reports the upshot of Clinton's move. "Relations between one-time bitter enemies are warming. The two countries are forging better ties, pushed in part by mutual concerns over China's expansionism in the South China Sea, as well as a desire to expand trade and investment. But Clinton also raised concerns about human rights in Vietnam, highlighting the sharp differences that remain between Washington and Hanoi's autocratic,communist-party-controlled state, which sharply limits dissent."

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ADVOCATING democracy in a single-party, authoritarian state would seem to be a fool’s errand.

Wei Jingsheng, one of China’s most ardent pro-democracy dissidents, spent over a decade in jail for demanding multiparty elections. Last year, the writer Liu Xiaobo was given an 11-year sentence after he wrote a manifesto calling for an end to the Chinese Communist Party’s hold on power.

Then there is Yu Keping, a mild-mannered policy wonk who has been singing the praises of democracy for years. In his most famous essay, “Democracy Is a Good Thing,” he made an impassioned argument for the inevitability of direct elections in China, describing democracy as “the best political system for humankind.”

In April, he published another treatise calling on the Communist Party to abide by the Constitution, not a small matter in a country where government leaders often argue that the law should be subservient to the party.

A cynical troublemaker playing with fire? Hardly.

Mr. Yu’s writings are sold in state-owned bookstores, and he is a ranking Communist Party official in charge of the Central Compilation and Translation Bureau, an obscure agency dedicated to translating works by Chinese leaders and Marxist tracts from around the world. He also runs a policy research organization, China Center for Comparative Politics and Economics, that provides advice to China’s leadership.

Even China experts have a hard time determining whether Mr. Yu is a brave voice for change or simply a well-placed shill.

Mr. Yu, 51, a deceptively soft-spoken man who is fond of guns and off-road driving, does little to clarify his role. “I am only a scholar interested in academic research,” he said with a grin, surrounded by hundreds of books in his Beijing office.

A closer look at Mr. Yu provides a small window into the role of those few public intellectuals who have learned to navigate what would appear to be treacherous terrain. They tackle seemingly provocative subjects and can even function as a force for change, but in the end their writings rarely challenge the underpinnings of China’s single-party, authoritarian rule.

Even Mr. Yu’s use of the word “democracy” is not what it seems. China’s leaders frequently talk about it as a worthy goal, but in practice they have virtually no intention of ceding the Communist Party’s monopoly. In fact, Mr. Yu never advocates Western-style multiparty democracy.

“What he writes might sound good, but he is misleading the Chinese people into thinking the government is moving toward democracy,” said Guo Tianguo, a former rights lawyer from Shanghai who was forced into exile five years ago and now lives in Canada. “He owes his job to President Hu Jintao, and if he ever pushed too hard he would lose everything. He’s a coward.”

YET to some who have followed his career, Mr. Yu’s role is far more nuanced. They say that he is a true believer in democracy, but that he walks a tightrope, trying to nudge China’s political elite toward reform without upsetting the apple cart.

Minxin Pei, a specialist in Chinese politics at Claremont McKenna College, said that Mr. Yu is a uniquely Chinese public figure who tries to influence the system through carefully choreographed words and well-placed obfuscation. “He’s flexible in the sense that if the atmosphere were more tolerant, he’d go further,” he said. “But he knows that going too far won’t do any good for him or the larger cause he’s promoting.”

During a series of recent interviews, Mr. Yu was relaxed and loquacious, but his responses hewed closely to his writings, which call for the incremental introduction of democracy “when conditions are right.” But he also stepped beyond the vague pronouncements on democracy that have been uttered by Mr. Hu, who has suggested that China already enjoys widespread political liberties.

Asked whether he thought the Chinese political system could be described as democratic, Mr. Yu offered up a few examples of reforms that have been tried in rural townships or small provincial cities but then added, “We have a long way to go.”

Like many of his peers, Mr. Yu grew up in the tumult of Mao’s Cultural Revolution, the decade between 1966 and 1976 when concepts like universal rights and free speech were viewed as bourgeois contaminants from the West. Class struggle was the watchword of the day, and Mr. Yu, the son of rice farmers from coastal Zhejiang Province, was anointed the leader of his school’s Red Guard battalion. He was not quite 10 years old.

He recalled terrorizing landlords and merchants during so-called struggle sessions, a wooden revolver tucked into his pants. “I was so small I had to stand on a chair,” he said.

In 1978, two years after the death of Mao, during the gradual return to normalcy and the reopening of schools, he was one of the first of his generation to go to college. “I literally crawled out of the paddies to take the entrance exam,” he said, smiling and shaking his head at the memory.

Mr. Yu was a teacher at Peking University during the spring of 1989, and he said he went to Tiananmen Square several times to look after his students, who were part of the throngs protesting corruption and inflation and demanding democratic reforms. “I was so worried about them,” he said, recalling the denouement — a bloody military crackdown in which hundreds died — as “a regrettable tragedy.”

But he said those events taught him that China must have legal avenues for its citizens to express their disdain for injustice, or their desire for change. “In any nation, when people are demanding reform, this is a sign of prosperity,” he said. “To ignore these demands is to invite instability.”

Mr. Yu said he was impressed by the United States, where he was a visiting scholar at Duke University. He relishes memories of the intellectual give-and-take in the classroom and the unencumbered vigor of the news media. “I really loved the American can-do spirit, the values of equality and justice, and the way people cared about the environment,” he said. For all the open-mindedness of Americans, he still winces when he recalls the barbed reactions of people when they learned he was a member of the Communist Party.

HIS most indelible experiences came after he left Duke to travel across 30 states on a Greyhound bus. He said he saw the chasm between the grotesquely rich and the abjectly poor, the lack of respect for the elderly, and the apathy on Election Day, especially among the “common people” who would seem to be the most invested in political change.

Mr. Yu also had a personal brush with a downside of abundant liberty. He said he was mugged twice, once by a man who put a knife to his back in a public restroom in Indianapolis. “I pretended I didn’t speak English; someone else came into the bathroom and the man ran away,” he said with a laugh.

That experience set off his interest in guns, and Mr. Yu sometimes lets off steam at a shooting range in Beijing. His other distraction from the esoteric is off-road driving. “She’s terrified of my driving,” he said of his wife, Xu Xiuli, a professor of Chinese economic history.

Before ending the interview, he had one parting thought. The story about his childhood, he said, contained a lesson, and it came back to his passion. “When I think about those days of the Cultural Revolution it reminds me of one truth,” he said. “It is only democracy and the rule of law that can save China from ever again falling into that kind of fate.”

>Mr. Yu, 51, a deceptively soft-spoken man who is fond of guns and off-road driving

Truly an American born in the wrong place.

  Workplace accidents in China left 33,876 people dead in the first half of the year, the country's work safety watchdog said yesterday, as the nation vowed to improve its industrial safety record.

The number of fatal workplace accidents was 4,174 fewer than in 2009, an 11-percent year-on-year drop, officials from the State Administration of Work Safety said in Beijing.

Looked at differently, there were about 187 deaths every day in the first half of 2010.

The State Council, China's Cabinet, issued a circular yesterday urging local governments and ministries to strengthen work safety through improved safety supervision.

"Although the number of workplace accidents is decreasing year on year, the situation remains very grave," said the circular, which was posted on the central government's official website.

The State Council vowed to improve workplace safety, particularly in mines, transportation and construction industries.

Further, state-owned mine officials and private mine owners must work underground with miners, and those who do not will be fined, the circular said.

Mine concerns

Also, all mines must utilize appropriate safety equipment, including position locating systems for miners working underground and emergency telecommunication devices, the circular said.

Additionally, the Chinese government is to create national rescue teams in coal-producing regions with the support of the central budget, said the circular.

China will also raise the level of compensation for victims of workplace accidents, said the circular. According to a new plan, a family of a worker who dies in a workplace accident can get 20 times the urban per capita disposable income of the previous year in one-off compensation.

Previously, except for an allowance package, each family only received 48 to 60 times the local average monthly wage of the previous year, which was 150,000 yuan (US$22,100), at most.

According to China's income level last year, the new scheme would bring the one-off compensation level up to at least 343,500 yuan, and combined with the allowance package, a family could receive at least 618,000 yuan in compensation.

I can't think of anything worse than working in a Chinese mine.

True, but others come close

Working in the Russian military
Working in a South African brothel

Typical gweilo propaganda drivel, as expected.

>Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is getting the U.S. involved in a complex, international dispute
>U.S. has a "national interest" in resolving the issue peacefully.
In other words, another case of gweilo meddling over things they have nothing to do with. And lol @ gweilo 'national interest' extending more than 11000 km off the coast of America.

>China's Aggressive Agenda
Retarded gweilo is retarded. Having territorial disputes and trying to RESOLVE them is not aggressive. Taking them by brute force instead of diplomatic negotiation is aggressive.

We seem more assertive only because we have less internal problems to worry about nowadays, and these disputes were merely put on hold previously when we were busy.

>For decades
>It has long laid claim to islands in the South China Sea
>China's maritime ambitions have expanded along with its military and economic muscle.
lol @ gweilo contradicting himself within two sentences.

>Clinton Not Taking Sides on Territorial Disputes, But China Still Mad
>Not taking sides
>Barge in claiming 'national interest' and trying to 'oversee' something they have no business poking their noses in.

>Building Regional Cooperation in Pacific
Why is the US the one working on an international mechanism for the SCS? The disputes will never lead to war: at worst they remain unresolved forever.

>increasingly powerful Chinese military could seek to dominate Asian waters
The way the US currently dominates both the Pacific and Atlantic? And the five other seas? lol @ gweilo hypocrisy.

The fact is China is negotiating favourable conclusions to disputes with ASEAN nations in exchange for their share of the Chinese economic pie. That way, ASEAN gets to benefit from our boom while we get to fortify / protect our vital supply routes. This is perfectly legal.

>China's Long-Term Naval Expansion
Expansion of what is a shit-tier and nearly non-existent brown-water fleet to what is more befitting of the fourth biggest economy on the globe? Colour me surprised.

Gweilos tend to filter all common sense from their minds when the topic is about the Chinese military, apparently.

Our objective is to counter the Indians' efforts to cut off our naval supply lines in the event of a war, which is so obvious even a blind man could see.

>U.S.-Vietnam Relations Warming
>expansionism = having territorial disputes
lol @ gweilo doublespeak.

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Chinese engineers are considering a new super-powerful engine for the next generation of space rockets, say officials.

According to Li Tongyu, general manager of the marketing department at the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology (CALT), engineers are currently studying a rocket engine with the thrust of 600 tonnes, burning highly potent liquid oxygen and liquid oxygen propellant.

If China succeeds in the development of such power, it would increase the nation's capabilities in space by orders of magnitude.

For comparison, China is currently well in the development of its most powerful rocket to date - Long March-5 - that would sport engines with the thrust of 120 tonnes.

"Rockets (with 600-tonne thrust engines) would only be justified for things like sending humans to the Moon, if such projects are approved," Li Tongyu told BBC News.

In March, the official China Daily newspaper disclosed that CALT was studying a super-heavy launch vehicle, which could be used to mount lunar expeditions.

At the time, the newspaper quoted CALT Vice President Liang Xiaohong as saying that the total lift-off thrust of the future heavy launcher would be 3,000 tonnes.

'Grander scale'

To develop such thrust, the first stage of the proposed rocket would need five 600-tonne engines, possibly distributed between one central stage and four strap-on boosters.

The rocket's architecture would thus be similar to the one adopted for the Long March-5 rocket, but at a considerably grander scale.

Although the expected payload of the future heavy lifter had not been disclosed, available details allow placing it close to the same category with that of the Saturn-5 rocket, which carried US astronauts to the Moon.

In the meantime, the development of the Long March-5 rocket was proceeding well toward its first test launch, currently expected in 2014, Li Tongyu said.

The vehicle's first stage engine had already accumulated more than 10,000 seconds of firing during tests - an important milestone on the way to its certification for real missions.

A full-scale prototype of the Long March 5 rocket would be ready for testing in 2012 and a year later, test firing of fully assembled rocket stages would be conducted.

When operational, Long March-5 is expected to deliver up to 25 tonnes of payload, including space station modules to the low Earth orbit, and up to 14 tonnes to the so-called geostationary transfer orbit, where most communications satellites are released after launch.

At the UK's Farnborough airshow, CALT demonstrated computer-generation videos, showcasing impressive new assembly and launch infrastructure of the Long March-5 rocket.

Newly built facilities will feature a sprawling campus not far from Chinese capital Beijing, where the rocket would be assembled.

The rocket stages would then be shipped to the launch site in the very south of China, where it could take advantage of the Earth rotation to maximise its cargo capabilities.

Along with Earth-orbiting satellites, the Long March-5 is expected to carry Chinese spacecraft into deep space, including unmanned missions to return soil samples from the Moon.

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>Long March-5 - that would sport engines with the thrust of 120 tonnes.
>120 tonnes

Our lightest and cheapest rocket has 133


Thanks to hundreds of thousands of Chinese American researchers, and after billions upon billions of dollars in investment

China's space program is only a fraction of the cost of the Americans'

Most of the prominent figures in NASA were Germans back during the space-race, not sure about now.

>Most of the prominent figures in NASA were Germans
Source other then stormfront and friends.

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Hi, I'm disgusted you haven't heard of me after all I did for the USA space program.

Looks polish.

Incredible man.

Oh! Oh! How about living in Afghanistan and Iraq after the gweilos bombed all infrastructure to shit?



About 23 per cent of the 7.66 trillion yuan ($1.3 trillion) that Chinese banks have lent to local government financing vehicles are at serious risk of default, according to the New Century Weekly.

The Chinese-language magazine, run by, said the China Banking Regulatory Commission disclosed the estimate at a meeting with banks last week.

A CBRC official said it was not convenient for him to comment on the report.

According to the initial results of a CBRC investigation, only 27 per cent of the local government projects are generating enough cash flow to pay off the loans, New Century Weekly reported.

Banks will have to call in guarantees lined up by the local authorities to recover the remaining 50 per cent of the loans, according to the magazine.

The CBRC made no public disclosure of its estimates after last week's nationwide video- and telephone conference with bankers and regional regulators.

But CBRC Chairman Liu Mingkang said in a statement that local government debt and the property sector still posed stiff challenges to Chinese banks.

"The risks in government-backed financing vehicles, the property industry and sectors with over-capacity problems are particularly worth noting," Liu said in a statement posted on the agency's website,

Economists and researchers disagree strongly on the harm that a rash of loan losses could cause.

Optimists point to China's low level of public debt, which is only 20 per cent of GDP. They say the government could easily take the bad loans onto its books, especially as the banks were lending at Beijing's behest to complement its 4 trillion yuan economic stimulus plan.

Pessimists say the big exposure to local governments is just the tip of a much bigger iceberg and fret that the capital cushions of major banks would be badly eroded if they accounted properly for all the loans that are likely to turn sour.

Ting Lu, an economist for Bank of America Merrill Lynch in Hong Kong, said not all of the 1.76 trillion yuan in problem loans, representing 23 per cent of the total, would become non-performing because local governments would scramble to consolidate their different financing vehicles.

In a note to clients, Lu said the final NPL total could be around 500 billion yuan.

He said the issue had major implications for policymaking.

"First, Beijing will take more responsibility in stimulating the economy instead of pushing most of the burden to local governments. Second, Beijing will increasingly use fiscal stimulus by issuing bonds instead of relying on bank loans," Lu said.



Haha a repeat of your idiotic CHINA COLLAPSE drivel?

What ever happened to that, Gordon Chang?


e.g Nazis with a bloated research budget funded by the blood of tens of millions of dead East Europeans


* i.e

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Beijing - China on Friday said it continues to support Serbia's 'territorial integrity' after the United Nations' International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled Kosovo's declaration of independence was lawful.
'China respects the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Serbia,' Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said, adding that China believed the two sides could still solve the issue through negotiation.
'China has always advocated that respecting national sovereignty and territorial integrity is a fundamental principle of international law,' Qin said in a statement on the ministry's website.
He said the two sides should negotiate a 'mutually acceptable solution' under the framework of UN Security Council resolutions on Kosovo.
'China believes that the International Court's advisory opinion does not prevent the parties from resolving the issue properly through negotiation,' Qin said.
Court President Justice Hisashi Owada on Thursday said that international law contains no 'prohibition on declarations of independence,' disappointing Belgrade and exhilarating Pristina.
Serbia, which aims to reverse the 2008 secession, had hoped for a different outcome and remained defiant. President Boris Tadic told the nation in a televised address that the ICJ decision was 'hard for Serbia' but that his government would continue the diplomatic fight.
Following the court's verdict, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon urged the two sides to launch 'constructive dialogue.'

Draža Mihailović was a war criminal and deserved to be shot

Chinese superiority is a myth and needs to be rebuffed.

Never settle for less, never let the bullshit stay.

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HONG KONG - As this city's quest for democracy muddles along, the one-time champion of the cause, Martin Lee Chu-ming - darling of Washington and London in his heyday - finds himself an aging, lonely figure shunted to the sidelines of the debate. Always reviled in the city's pro-Beijing circles as a traitor to the motherland, he is now dismissed as yesterday's man by his own pan-democratic camp.

Battered, frustrated and increasingly irrelevant, he is considering quitting the Democratic Party, which he founded in 1994. What went wrong for Lee? What went wrong for Hong Kong?

Now 72, Lee has not wavered from his principles since he became the icon of Hong Kong's democracy movement in the wake of the Tiananmen Square crackdown on June 4, 1989. Before that fateful day, he had been a prominent lawyer, legislative councilor and member of the drafting committee for the Basic Law, which would become the city's mini-constitution after the 1997 handover from British to Chinese rule. Afterwards, he was a Hong Kong hero.

A million people poured into the city's streets in support of the student-led demonstrators who, calling for greater democracy on the mainland, were crushed by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) on June 4. In the Tiananmen aftermath, Lee's ardent pro-democracy stance and increasingly forceful criticism of the Chinese government turned the once high-flying, cognac-sipping barrister into a man of the people. At one point, he even called for the overthrow of the central government.

Forced off the Basic Law drafting committee and banned from travel in the mainland, Lee would nevertheless go on to be showered with awards and accolades by his Western admirers, becoming an international symbol of Hong Kong's stubborn desire to be a free and independent part of China after the handover as well as, in the vernacular of the Communist Party, "a running dog" of Western interests.

More recently, Lee riled the Chinese leadership in a Wall Street Journal article in which he called on Western governments to use the 2008 Summer Olympic Games, hosted by Beijing, to pressure China on its human-rights record.

But that article, published in 2007, was his last big international splash, and his influence in Hong Kong has been in decline since he stepped down as chairman of the Democratic Party in 2001. After serving 23 years in the city's Legislative Council (Legco), he chose not to stand for reelection in 2008.

This summer, however, has proved to be the low point in his political career, with a new generation of leaders in his party completely disregarding his uncompromising stance on democratic reform and striking what Lee saw as a devil's bargain with the central government. In late June, with Lee throwing barbs from the sidelines, the party that he founded 16 years ago played a pivotal role in guiding a stingy, Beijing-approved political reform package through Legco.

A similar package, thanks to Lee and the rest of the pan-democratic opposition, had been defeated in 2005. In truth, as Lee is wont to point out, this summer's accepted reforms, to be implemented in 2012, do not go much further than those voted down in 2005. Lee's dream of a Hong Kong system based entirely on the principle of one person, one vote remains a distant, if not impossible, prospect. But for many Hong Kong residents weary of the political deadlock that has gripped the city since the handover, the summer's Legco vote represents welcome progress, modest though that progress may be.

After 13 years of political drought, here was a drink - just enough to wet a parched throat but hardly adequate to slake such a long thirst. Touted as "historic" by the Hong Kong government, the reforms will increase the size of the Beijing-controlled election committee for Hong Kong's chief executive - from 800 to 1,200 members - and add 10 seats to Legco's current 60-member chamber, where the Chinese leadership also holds considerable sway, despite the 23 seats occupied by pan-democrats.

None of the pan-democrats was particularly moved by the promise of an enlarged election committee perhaps even more loyal to the Chinese leadership than before, but the Democratic Party, now led by Albert Ho Chun-yan, sought to exploit the pledge to expand Legco.

Legco at present is equally divided between popularly elected legislators and those chosen by special-interest groups, known as functional constituencies, which largely represent the city's business ethos and, again, tend to be amenable to Beijing. In a typically convoluted prescription, an initial Hong Kong government proposal would have created five new democratically elected seats and five new functional constituency seats to be chosen by the 405 elected members among 534 district councilors.

The compromise engineered with the central government by Ho and his advisors, in a format yet to be decided, has representatives of district councils competing for those five new functional constituency seats in citywide elections.

Yes, that's progress - but not the sort of advance that fulfills the guarantee of full democracy promised to Hong Kong in the Basic Law. Certainly, these baby-step reforms fall far short of the democratic ideal for which Lee has spent his political life fighting; they do, however, reflect Hong Kong's political reality 13 years after the handover - a reality that many are coming to accept.

While Lee denounced his party's key role in the passage of the reform package as a betrayal of its core principles and threatened to quit, a number of both pro-Beijing and pro-democracy commentators hailed the compromise as a potential political game-changer for Hong Kong. A small gaggle of pan-democrats also opposed the reforms, but most of Lee's former political comrades abandoned the old "All or nothing!" mentality and supported the package as a modest push forward for democracy in the city. Even Lee's longtime friend, the now cancer-stricken Szeto Wah, another aging warrior in Hong Kong's battle for universal suffrage, favored the compromise.

Judging by opinion polls taken after the Legco vote, which approved the package by a three-quarter's majority, the Hong Kong public embraces the new pragmatism. Indeed, according to a recent University of Hong Kong poll, public approval ratings for Ho, who received much of the credit for the deal, have risen 4 points, to 55.2%, since his Legco triumph, making him the city's third-most popular legislator. There was a time, of course, when Lee was at the top of Legco's popularity stakes; now he is a mere asterisk.

While it is not clear where the Legco reforms will ultimately lead - perhaps nowhere very salutary - there is a sense of a new political beginning in the city. For the first time, a pro-democracy party has chosen negotiation and compromise with the Chinese leadership and vice versa. Lee's adamant opposition to this development has, by association, thrown him into the pan-democratic radical camp along with loutish populist politicians such as "Long Hair" Leung Kwok-hung and "Mad Dog" Raymond Wong Yuk-man, who base their limited but enduring appeal on hurling fruit and obscenities at Chief Executive Donald Tsang Yam-kuen and his ministers when they appear in the Legco chamber.

Hong Kong voters may find some relief in this summer's small legislative breakthrough, but they also have a sobering political future to contemplate. For example, what happened to the reassuring "one country, two systems" mantra that was supposed to govern the city for at least 50 years beyond the handover? When the Democratic Party bypasses the Hong Kong government to negotiate directly with Beijing's representatives, that guiding ideal seems to have lost its way ahead of its time.

Moreover, while the citywide election of five new functional constituency seats has obvious popular appeal, it retains the principle of privileged, special-interest access to the city's legislature. Functional constituencies, established by the British and previously denounced by any self-respecting democrat as "rotten boroughs", may be here to stay.

In 2017, Beijing has decreed, Hong Kong's chief executive can be democratically elected and, by 2020, fully democratic Legco elections can follow. At this point, however, no one really knows what definition of democracy those elections might embrace.

What seems clear, however, is that they will not be anything like what Lee had envisioned. Neither will there be any further honors for Hong Kong's fallen hero in Washington or London.

Why in the fuck did you post this exactly?
Curious to get Gweilofag's spin on this article.

>Implying I have ever claimed Chinese are racially superior like you gweilos did.
lol @ gweilo delusions.
>Implying supposed Chinese 'superiority' from asiafinest etc. are as widespread as gweilos' fantasies of their exceptionalism.

>Martin Lee
GAHAHAHAHAHA. And I thought for a while that atimes was pretty objective with its reporting on China.

>What went wrong for Lee? What went wrong for Hong Kong?
Nothing went wrong for Hong Kong that wasn't this asshole's fault. Good riddance that he's finally on the way out. The very fact that he's a darling of Washington and London was because his entire job was be a gweilo shrill and to fuck up Hong Kong as much as possible.

>A million people poured into the city's streets in support of the student-led demonstrators who, calling for greater democracy on the mainland, were crushed by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) on June 4.
Typical of gweilos to be utterly wrong. The students left without incident. What was crushed was the riot that followed.

>Hong Kong's stubborn desire to be a free and independent part of China
Whoever writes this is so hilariously wrong.

>called on Western governments to use the 2008 Summer Olympic Games, hosted by Beijing, to pressure China on its human-rights record.
If that's not calling on gweilos to intervene in our internal affairs, what is it? If this does not clearly reveal Martin Lee as a running dog of the West, what will?

>with a new generation of leaders in his party completely disregarding his uncompromising stance on democratic reform
Retarded gweilo is retarded. The leaders who voted for the recent compromise were pretty much the same, of which includes Alan Leong who ran for office AGAINST Donald Tsang (the CCP-approved candidate) back in 2007.

>devil's bargain
>stingy, Beijing-approved political reform package
More gweilo propaganda. The fact is that the same package was pushed to Legco from 2005, which would probably be refused as before. The Democrats decide to try something different and edit the package more in their favour, which was surprisingly accepted by Beijing.

Unable to back down from their OWN edited package and stall Hong Kong's decison making process as they always do, the Democrats have to approve of the compromise. In comes Martin Lee, Long Hair and their merry band of tards, who doesn't give a shit about integrity.

>Lee's dream of a Hong Kong system based entirely on the principle of one person, one vote
Lee's dream is immediate democracy right away, which is totally retarded because political change is a gradual process.

>After 13 years of political drought, here was a drink - just enough to wet a parched throat but hardly adequate to slake such a long thirst.
No thanks to Martin Lee and his cohorts, who refuses anything other than immediate total reform. The fact is that the 2005 package was a step towards democracy, and this one a larger step. The only reason Martin Lee was for total immediate reform is because that everyone knows that is impossible (and won't ever be accepted by Beijing). His entire position basically is to shut down any progress towards democracy, for the sake of DEMOCRACY.

>Even Lee's longtime friend, the now cancer-stricken Szeto Wah, another aging warrior in Hong Kong's battle for universal suffrage, favored the compromise.
It's funny because this article omitted how Martin's thugs picketed Uncle Wah's home and wished that his cancer was terminal, for SUPPORTING THIS REFORM.

>Lee's adamant opposition to this development has, by association, thrown him into the pan-democratic radical camp along with loutish populist politicians such as "Long Hair" Leung Kwok-hung and "Mad Dog" Raymond Wong Yuk-man
He was always in their camp, retard gweilo. The fact that Hong Kong's people finally realize the extent of him and his gang's depravity is sideline him is no tragedy.

Fuck Martin Lee.

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Activists are planning to stage a protest in Hong Kong to defend the local Cantonese language.

Hong Kong, Macao and Guangdong province are home to the Chinese language Cantonese.

It's also used widely by overseas Chinese.

But Cantonese-speaking activists say their mother tongue is being threatened by the spread of China's official national language Mandarin.

This followed calls by local politicians for more Mandarin content on television at the expense of Cantonese.

A small protest has already been held in Guangzhou to oppose any changes.

In the coming days, Hong Kong demonstrators will hold their own rally.

But Guangzhou's Deputy Party Secretary Su Zhijia said there are no plans to abandon or weaken Cantonese.

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A group of Republican senators are suggesting that the Pentagon is withholding its annual report on China’s military build-up out of concerns of fueling hostility between the countries.

The senators – John Cornyn of Texas, John McCain of Arizona, James Risch of Idaho, Pat Roberts of Kansas, and James Inhofe of Oklahoma – sent a strongly worded letter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates Friday, nearly five months after the annual report was due.

“Since the responsibility for this report lies with the [Department of Defense] alone, we ask for your assurance that the White House political appointees at the National Security Council or other agencies have not been allowed to alter the substance of the report in an effort to avoid the prospect of angering China,” read the letter.

The annual reports are mandated by a 2000 law, and have become something of a ritual in which the Defense Department makes assertions about China’s military, and China angrily denies them. The 2009 report in part argued, “The limited transparency in China’s military and security affairs poses risks to stability by creating uncertainty and increasing the potential for misunderstanding and miscalculation.”

The senators’ letter references a section of the 2009 report which discusses China’s missile development and its ability to “attack ships at sea, including aircraft carriers in the western Pacific Ocean.”

U.S. naval operations in the Yellow Sea, between China and South Korea, have been a key reason behind military tension between the U.S. and China in recent months. Joint military exercises between the U.S. and South Korea are currently being held in the Sea of Japan (also known as the East Sea). Those exercises were originally slated to take place in the Yellow Sea in June, but were stalled and later moved in response to Chinese objections.

The most recent letter isn’t the first time it has been suggested that administration officials delayed submitting a report to Congress out of fears of hampering U.S.-China negotiations. Earlier this month, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner originally due in April”>declined to call China a manipulator of its currency, in a report to Congress that was originally due in April. In announcing the report’s delay in April, Geithner suggested private negotiations – as opposed to public Congressional reports – would be the best way to solve disputes with the Chinese.

Top military leaders have expressed concerns over China’s military in recent months. The senators’ letter cites a March testimony given by Adm. Robert F. Willard, commander of the U.S. Pacific Command, in which he argues China military buildup appears “designed to challenge U.S. freedom of action in the region or exercise aggression or coercion of its neighbors, including U.S. treaty allies and partners.” More recently, Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told troops in Seoul last week, “I have moved from being curious about what [the Chinese] are doing to being concerned about what they are doing.”

Sooner or later, the report will be published. But its delay highlights an emerging strategy among executive-branch leaders in dealing with China: Subtle, closed-door negotiations are preferred to proverbial foot-stomping.

– Brian Spegele

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On July 23rd, 2010, a Uyghur journalist, activist and blogger named Gheyret Niyaz (a.k.a. Heyrat Niyaz, 海莱特·尼亚孜) was sentenced to 15 years in prison. His crime, according to many reports, was “endangering state security” by conducting an interview with a Hong Kong newspaper shortly after the Urumqi riots of 2009. He played no role in the actual riots.

Mainstream media has focused its stories on the harsh 15-yr sentence handed down by the Chinese court, but they tend to overlook the details surrounding the accusations made against this prominent Uyghur and exactly why he was convicted.

Who is Gheyret Niyaz? And what exactly did he say in that interview to merit 15 years in prison?
Who is Gheyret Niyaz?

Gheyret Niyaz (a.k.a. Heyrat Niyaz, 海莱特·尼亚孜)Gheyret Niyaz is a Uyghur journalist who has lived most of his life in the Xinjiang capital of Urumqi, with the exception of a 4-year period of university studies in Beijing (Minzu University). He had worked previously as a senior reporter for the Xinjiang Economic News and was an editor/administrator for the popular Mandarin-language Uyghur website Uyghurbiz.

What’s most surprising about this particular Uyghur is that Gheyret Niyaz, unlike many of his peers, is known for his generally supportive views of the Chinese government. He has never been accused of participating in the riots although he was in Urumqi at the time “…on Xinhua Nanlu watching as rioter smashed and looted”.

So why in the world would he be sentenced to 15 years in prison?
The Punishable Interview

A couple weeks following the Urumqi riots an interview was published on Yazhou Zhoukan (Asia Weekly) that China authorities believed crossed the line from journalism to criminal activity.

Although people in Xinjiang, including myself, were not able to read this interview at the time due to government-imposed internet restrictions, a translation was soon posted online detailing the discussion between the Hong Kong reporter and Gheyret Niyaz.

In this interview Gheyret explains his predictions prior to July that something was going to happen and how he had tried to warn the authorities:

After the incident in Shaoguan, Guangdong, I felt that something big would happen, that blood would flow…I called a friend of mine in the government and said, “Something is going to happen tomorrow. You should take some measures”…In fact, I was not even the first person to warn the relevant government agencies on July 4. Just after 6 p.m. on July 4 another person had provided a warning.

Just who exactly this other person was that provided a warning is never revealed, but his point is clear: there were serious red flags prior to July 5th. Although these statements certainly don’t reflect well on the government, it’s hardly worth 15 years in prison.

Later in the interview Gheyret expressed another feeling that has been shared by many people throughout Xinjiang, both Uyghur and Han:

Ethnic relations in Xinjiang really became more tense over the past 20 years or so. After taking office, Party Secretary Wang Lequan adopted a high-handed posture that would not allow for any ethnic sentiment among minority populations…[Wang] overemphasized and exacerbated the anti-separatist issue.

Wang has since been replaced by new Party Secretary Zhang Chunxian, but it certainly had nothing to do with pressure from this interview.
Article 111 of the China Criminal Code

Although details of his sentence are difficult to nail down, it’s likely that Gheyret Niyaz was convicted under Article 111 of the China Criminal Code. This section of Chinese law states:

Whoever steals, secretly gathers, purchases, or illegally provides state secrets or intelligence…is to be sentenced from not less than five years to not more than 10 years of fixed-term imprisonment; when circumstances are particularly serious, he is to be sentenced to not less than 10 years of fixed- term imprisonment, or life sentence; and when circumstances are relatively minor, he is to be sentenced to not more than five years of fixed-term imprisonment, criminal detention, control, or deprivation of political rights. (emphasis mine)

In other words, this 15 year sentence signifies that the Chinese judicial system sees this interview as an offense of “particularly serious” nature.

Many organizations have appealed to China on Gheyret’s behalf, including the WUC (World Uyghur Congress) – which is a bit ironic considering one of his comments during last year’s interview.

When asked “How do local Uyghur intellectuals view [the president of the WUC]?” Gheyret responded:

They’re not interested. [She] basically has no ideas.

Why the Harsh Sentence?

If you remember, late last year another Uyghur named Alimjan Yimit was convicted under the same Article 111 for a 15 year sentence. In 2008 a man in Turpan named Ekberjan Jamal was sentenced to 10 years for passing on audio clips of a a protest to friends outside the country.

Now Gheyret Niyaz can be added to the list of those receiving harsh sentences for seemingly minor crimes.

I speculate that such sentences are meant to discourage all Uyghur from conducting interviews with media, even those as harmless as the one above. If that’s the case, it’s working. Every journalist I speak to who has returned from a trip to Xinjiang tells stories about Uyghur interviewees who don’t show up, refuse to answer questions, or don’t even agree to talk at all.

As long as China feels defensive about its position in Xinjiang – and that might be for quite a while – the liberal use of Article 111 will continue to scare all residents within the province.

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Chinese living abroad have played a huge role in the country's economic miracle. But back in China, they are both welcome and vulnerable.

The people that the Chinese are often most worried about are other Chinese.

Chinese living and working abroad have played an enormous role in the country's economic boom. For years, they have sent money back and offered hope to those at home during periods of calamity and chaos.

Yet holding a foreign passport doesn't make these expatriates any less Chinese. Of all people, they are expected to be most attuned to the complex realities of life in China. When they fall short, they are treated with official suspicion and individual disdain.

When I first studied in Beijing in 1974 I had a Canadian classmate who was classified as a "Patriotic Overseas Chinese." The status afforded her special access to people and her ethnicity meant that otherwise distant Chinese students embraced her. She always made the point that her background gave her insights into China and its revolution, things beyond the ken of Caucasians like me.

"You simply don't understand China's unique national conditions." This common refrain is still chimed with certainty, and stridency, by average citizens, just as leaders of the party-state employ it when addressing foreigners. Unless you appreciate, and accept unequivocally, China's "unique national conditions" you betray yourself as lacking insight into and empathy with the mysteries of that country's tortured history and complex present realities.

This kind of talk allows for a kind of "Chinese exceptionalism." People employ it whether they are rejecting well-intentioned observations on social mores or staring down the incredulity of outsiders confronted by egregious political and mercantile behavior. Not only can the criticism of outsiders be deflected in this fashion, even those with intimate ties to the country are frequently derided for failing to appreciate China's conditions. Sometimes, individuals are taught a lesson about the country's peculiarities by means of a long stint in jail.

In the past few months there have been two cases of Chinese insiders who have been tried and jailed in murky circumstances. The Australian businessman Stern Hu was sentenced in March, accused of taking bribes, and earlier this month the U.S. citizen and geologist Xue Feng, reportedly tortured during a long pre-trial ordeal, was jailed for eight years on charges of espionage. Both men were involved in the resources industry and there is speculation that the severity of their sentences reflects the sensitivities of the Chinese in all matters related to resource security. However, it was presumed that both Messrs. Hu and Xue might have been treated more leniently because they are foreign nationals who were offered open consular support by their adoptive countries.

Both men are members of China's new-era globalized citizens. They are post-modern overseas Chinese. That is, like many previous generations of Chinese, for reasons of family, fate or personal fortune they sought a life outside the country of their birth. However, due to the economic boom of recent years and the extraordinary opportunities it has offered, they choose to work for foreign companies back in China.

Historically, overseas Chinese have been men and women who although identifying as Chinese, or only even partially Chinese, elect to reside primarily overseas. In recent years, however, the category of sojourning Chinese has broadened to incorporate those former citizens of the People's Republic who went overseas in search of a better education, jobs and lifestyle. Presuming that their foreign passports and international connections provide them with a measure of protection, they shuttle freely between China and global commercial centers, partaking in the migratory existence of the international business elite. They can maintain a pride in China while enjoying the benefits of being foreign citizens.

A diaspora of overseas Chinese developed during the 19th century as the Qing Empire went into economic and social decline. Since then generations of Chinese have contributed to societies and cultures all over the world. They became important members of communities throughout Southeast Asia, North America, Australia and the Pacific long before modern China found a role for them.

Families and communities might benefit from those connections, but in a world in which local clan ties and narrow loyalties were paramount, the sojourners were frequently derided for being "pseudo-foreign Devils," tainted by the untoward manners and ideas of foreign climes.

During China's reform era starting in 1978, and in particular in the past two decades, countless overseas Chinese have been playing a crucial role in China's economic reform. They have also contributed in a myriad of ways to the integration of their homeland in the global economy. To be Chinese by birth, or even to enjoy Chinese ancestry, there is an all-too-often stated expectation that you understand the overt rules as well as the unspoken codes of your native land. Intuitively you are supposed to understand and be vigilant about China's particular situation and conditions.

When things go well and there are opportunities to be grasped, the overseas Chinese, with their inside-track appreciation of the distinctive modus operandi in the People's Republic, ride high. When the complex nexus of national interest, party-family ties, local power brokers and influence peddlers is antagonized, however, these intuitive insiders, the commercial compradors with local knowledge, are particularly vulnerable. The protective sheath of foreign citizenship proves to be little more than a gossamer.

Some Chinese were studying overseas during the heady months of the mass protest movement of 1989, and large numbers decided to keep away following the brutal repression of June 4. It seemed as though the economic and social changes allowed by the Communist Party until then would be stalled. Eventually, the economic reforms continued and transformed the country in unexpected ways, but the lessons of 1989 were not lost on China's leaders. They instituted a vast educational and media campaign to instruct young and old alike in China's unique realities.

Those conditions, hard to define at the best of times, include an official menu of factoids and attitudes: China has an unbroken recorded history of 5,000 years; it is a multi-ethnic nation incorporating peoples as varied as the Han, Tibetans, Uighurs and Dai; historical necessity and contemporary realities determine that only the unified leadership of the Chinese Communist Party can maintain stability and pursue China's unique path to modernity ensuring economic prosperity for all. It also includes such nebulous claims that there is a particular "Chinese" way of doing things, that Chinese people have a unique purchase on the world of the spirit, and that although China is a global culture only Chinese can really understand it.

Saturating textbooks, films, TV programs and the news media, awareness has become part of the fabric of contemporary Chinese life and thought. The success of the two-decade-long campaign is evident, for example, in the patriotic demagoguery of the Chinese Internet, as well as in everyday nationalistic fervor. Chinese living overseas as well as foreign Chinese working in China are equally expected to get with the program.

Nonetheless, overseas Chinese will remain profoundly enmeshed in the story of China in the 21st century. The fate of individuals like Stern Hu and Xue Feng elicit comment and concern, but on a far greater scale new populations in Africa and Latin America, as well as throughout the Pacific and in towns and cities in Europe and Russia, will provide other dimensions to the global Chinese presence. In turn complex new dynamics are developing, not only for foreign communities, but for China itself.

It is here that the Chinese party-state's treatment of individual figures like Messrs. Hu and Xue is instructive. Following the detention of each of these individuals their cases remained shrouded in secrecy, their treatment at times arbitrary and cruel. Falling victim to Chinese-style due process their families, as well as the diplomatic representatives of their new countries, were aghast and dismayed. If the Chinese authorities were using the jailing and sentencing of these two men to offer a cautionary tale, the lessons they broadcast not only to the world, but to the broader overseas Chinese community, are profoundly disturbing.

While many commentators have remarked on the revived and invented traditions popular in China today, it was in the early years of the Republic of China in the 1910s and '20s that the modern transposition of traditional ethical and moral categories began. Along with more benign values such as "humanness" and "rightness," the concept of "loyalty" was instilled with a new meaning. Fealty to the ruling monarch was replaced with loyalty to the state and the nation.

Lao Chen, the protagonist in the controversial 2009 novel "In an Age of Prosperity: China 2013" by Chan Koon-chung (also known as "The Gilded Age" in English), is a Hong Kong resident of Beijing. He lives in a near-future utopia. The year is 2013 and China is the dominant economic power in the world, the society is stable and its citizens enjoy boundless consumer wealth. Harmony, the one-word slogan promoted by Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao, reigns supreme. So what if the ever-vigilant and paternalistic government exacts a heavy price for social order and individual quiescence?

But Lao Chen senses something is wrong. He knows people are happy enough with "90% freedom," but he wonders what is really missing. There is an inexplicable gap in everyone's memories, a lost month, and vagueness surrounds it. It is as though the society itself has been anaesthetized. Smug satisfaction disguises an unmistakable putrescence. Whenever he voices his unease, Lao Chen comes up against a brick wall. People tell him that, despite his long years in Beijing, he still doesn't understand China's realities.

Surely the situation cannot continue in this political stasis for long? Political reform, a government more open to oversight and criticism, a free media and independent judiciary—perhaps these are all part of the next stage in the Chinese story? But such hopes fly in the face of China's "unique national conditions." Late in the novel a 40-page justification for the repressive harmony of China today is offered by a fictional Politburo member, He Dongsheng. To quote Linda Jaivin's translation of a passage from He's speech:

"Let's just keep the situation as is; after another 20 years of stable development we can reopen the discussion about reform. For the moment, at most, we could try to reform a few things here and there, as part of a gradual move towards benevolent government… Political reform? Is it that simple? In the end, you'll emerge from the transition, not with the commonwealth you desire, not the European style of social democracy or the American style of a free, democratic constitutional government, but rather a Chinese-style fascist dictatorship that's a compendium of nationalism, cultural traditionalism, patriotism and national racial purity."

The book's author, Mr. Chan, is a publisher from Hong Kong who has been living in Beijing since the 1990s. He has knowingly created a fictional account of Chinese reality. In discussing his work Mr. Chan has observed that dealing with China today demands a talent similar to that of the famous Tang-dynasty singer Jiang Shu. She was an artist who could sing two songs at once: one in the back of her throat and the other through her nose. "Two-song Jiang Shu" lived over a millennium ago, but today her talent enmeshes Chinese people, regardless of what passport they happen to hold.

The Chinese authorities claim a monopoly right to define and interpret the nation's unique conditions. In reality, social change, evolving attitudes and widespread aspirations continue to challenge the status quo. Mao Zedong honed his revolutionary instincts on Chinese soil rather than studying overseas, yet it was his foreign-education colleagues who were directly responsible for the opening up and reform of China that is changing the world.
—Geremie R. Barmé is a historian and the director of the Centre on China in the World at the Australian National University, Canberra.

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Centenary College is closing its satellite business schools in China and Taiwan after discovering rampant cheating among local students, campus officials said.

The cheating was so extensive that the Hackettstown college is withholding degrees from all 400 Chinese-speaking students in its master’s of business administration programs in Beijing, Shanghai and Taiwan, said Debra Albanese, Centenary’s vice president for strategic advancement.

The students were told they have until the end of the month to decide whether to take a comprehensive exam to earn their degree or accept a full tuition refund So far, school officials said, most students have opted for the refund of their $1,200-to-$1,400 tuition.

"The college is extremely concerned with the welfare of the Chinese students involved in the program but must note that its review revealed evidence of widespread plagiarism, among other issues, at a level that ordinarily would have resulted in students’ immediate dismissal from the college," Albanese said in a statement.

Centenary, a 3,000-student private college in Warren County, has offered its executive MBA degree in China since 2004.

The college was among dozens of U.S. schools that flocked to the region after the Communist government began welcoming Western universities. The U.S. schools offer American-style MBA programs to Chinese-speaking or English-speaking students who are looking to work for Western corporations doing business in the Far East. The students pay tuition and receive U.S.-accredited MBA degrees in a year or two, dramatically improving their job prospects.

The programs can be lucrative for the American colleges, which often rent space in Chinese cities use a combination of campus professors and local adjuncts to teach classes.

Centenary officials in New Jersey began investigating the school’s China and Taiwan programs in January 2009 at the request of Barbara-Jayne Lewthwaite shortly after she took over as president. After it discovered cheating problems, the college hired an international law firm and consulted with the Middle States Commission on Higher Education, its accrediting agency.

School officials declined to discuss the details of the cheating uncovered in the investigation or why they decided to withhold degrees to all 400 students in three locations.

"The college and its counsel have been working diligently to resolve this situation in a manner that is fair and in the best interests of both the program’s students and the college as a whole," Albanese said in a statement.

School officials said Joseph Linskey, who was appointed last year to a new position of Dean of International Programs, is coordinating Centenary’s withdrawal from China.

Before they can receive a tuition refund, students are required to sign a waiver in English and Chinese saying they will not sue the school or say anything to "harm the reputation of Centenary College," according to a copy of the documents obtained by The Star-Ledger.

Centenary officials declined to discuss whether any college employees were fired because of the cheating.

Centenary isn’t the first college to run into problems regarding academic integrity in China, which has a long history of student-cheating scandals. Earlier this month, Beijing education officials launched an investigation into reports that hundreds of students at Beijing Open University had cheated on their final exams while teachers turned a blind eye, according to local news accounts.

Dozens of people have been arrested over the last few years for allegedly selling high-tech cheating devices, including wireless ear pieces and wristwatch-like receivers, to help students share answers on China’s high-stakes national college entrance exam.

U.S. test makers also have been cracking down on Chinese students cheating on the Graduate Management Admission Test, or GMAT, required for admission to business school. The Graduate Management Admission Council, which oversees the test, successfully sued several websites that Chinese students had used to swap the exam’s questions and answers.

"That was one example of the diligence we really pay to test security," said Sam Silverstein, a Graduate Management Admission Council spokesman.

In the last five years, the number of Chinese students taking the business school admissions test has more than quadrupled to 16,500, Silverstein said. The country is now third in the world in the number of students taking the GMAT, behind only the United States and India.

"China is a very hot market for business schools," Silverstein said.

Several New Jersey universities have ventured into China, with mixed results. Rutgers University currently runs one of the largest international MBA programs in Asia, with branches in Beijing and Shanghai as well as Singapore. Kean University planned to open China’s first full-scale American-style university in 2007, but the plans became caught up in red tape in the Beijing government.

While ending their China and Taiwan MBA programs, Centenary officials said they have no plans to stop expanding the college’s international reach. The college will continue to offer study abroad and exchange programs with schools around the world.

"Centenary College has had many long-standing successful relationships with international institutions in Asia, Europe and Canada that date back to the mid-1980s," Albanese said. "We still continue to foster those relationships."

Some people say China is cooling off. Here’s eight reasons why you should still be thinking about investing in Chinese stocks in the U.S.

1. China is growing their GDP at 9% (down from 11%), versus a probable 3.5% in the U.S. Many people were afraid that China’s central bank was “putting the brakes” on their economy. All that means is that growth is going from an overheated 11% to slightly less than 10%. Growth is still growth.

2. Fifty million people per year are being added to the middle class, which has grown from 5% of the country to 25% of the country. This is a demographic tidal wave that has ramifications in almost every industry both in China and in the United States. To ignore this is to ignore stocks that will be multiplying their revenues and profits by tenfold over the next several years.

3. China is now the world’s No. 1 energy consumer, passing the United States. It is also spending more on clean energy alternatives to oil than the U.S. ($34 billion versus $28 billion).

4. The risk of a credit crisis is minimal in China. Jim Chanos at Kynikos is worried that China is in a real estate boom/bust similar to what the U.S. is still going through. However, in China (as opposed to the U.S. in 2004-7) houses are bought with a minimum 30% down. In the U.S. during the credit boom, many people were doing 0% down with no income to back it up. What Chanos is seeing is the surge in lending in China. But a large part of that is not due to easy credit but the 50 million-plus people a year that are being added to the ranks of the middle class. These 50 million are naturally buying houses, cars, jewelry, computers, etc.

5. Steel production is up 15% year over year. This is a leading indicator of the type of growth we’ll be seeing from China over the next year.

6. Four out of ten Chinese college students will earn science or engineering degrees, compared to two out of one hundred here. We will be seeing a lot more innovation from China in the coming years. Andy Grove (former CEO of INTC) recently wrote on Bloomberg that we are losing all of our technology derivative jobs to China but I’d be more concerned about losing all of our innovation. The second most powerful supercomputer was just built in China. It’s worth noting that eight out of nine members of China’s ruling body have engineering degrees, including the president. By comparison, our president, vice-president and six Cabinet members have degrees in law. One U.S. Cabinet member has an engineering degree.

7. Many question the honesty of the government’s numbers on things like GDP growth. The recent episode with GOOG demonstrates that the government is still not comfortable being transparent. However, what is clear is the size of China’s currency reserves (over $2 trillion in U.S. dollars) which is generated by the enormous size and growth of their exports. These currency reserves enable them to avoid a lot of the economic shock and awe that occurred in the U.S. in 2008. Tto solve its problems the U.S. government had to go enormously in debt. The same won’t occur in China.

8. Many Chinese companies have recently become public here in the U.S. The problem is they have little or no analyst coverage, no banking coverage (all the banks have gone out of business) and little sponsorship among mutual funds and hedge funds. So you have companies growing 100% or more in revenues with significant earnings and balance sheeets (some trading below cash), trading at P/E ratios in the single digits. They are all in heavily growing industries like autos (only 5% of the Chinese middle class have a car at the moment), health (Chiina building out 10s of thousands of hospitals), jewelry (a rising benefit of being in the middle class), privatization (a toll road that is public here and experiencing more traffic every month), energy (the entire clean energy and battery space), and even yoga (why not?) . Companies like BIDU, NTES, SOHU are all well known and have had their run. But the next layer of Chinese companies are about to experience strong growth as well in the US markets.

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I think it's about time we invaded China again

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Flooding in the northeastern Chinese city of Jilin have washed thousands of containers of explosive chemicals into the Songhua River.

Water supplies have been cut and emergency teams have been sent to recover the spilled fluid. They were washed away when flood waters ran through two large chemical storage facilities.

Jilin suffered a similar spill in 2005 when a petrochemical plant released dangerous pollutants into the river.

Environmental protection authorities say they have so far detected no contamination from this latest incident.

China has been hit by its worst seasonal rains in a decade that have killed 333 people and left another 300 missing.

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Twenty-one years ago, Li Lu was a student leader of the Tiananmen Square protests. Now a hedge-fund manager, he is in line to become a successor to Warren Buffett at Berkshire Hathaway Inc.

Mr. Li, 44 years old, has emerged as a leading candidate to run a chunk of Berkshire's $100 billion portfolio, stemming from a close friendship with Charlie Munger, Berkshire's 86-year-old vice chairman. In an interview, Mr. Munger revealed that Mr. Li was likely to become one of the top Berkshire investment officials. "In my mind, it's a foregone conclusion," Mr. Munger said.

The job of filling Mr. Buffett's shoes is among the most high-profile succession stories in modern corporate history. Mr. Buffett, who will turn 80 in a month, says he has no current plans to step down and will likely split his job after he leaves the company into separate CEO and investing functions. Mr. Li's emergence as a contender to oversee Berkshire investments is the first time a name has been identified to fill the investment part of Mr. Buffett's legendary role.

The development illustrates that Berkshire is moving toward putting in place—possibly sooner than investors anticipated—certain aspects of its succession plan.

The Chinese-American investor already has made money for Berkshire: He introduced Mr. Munger to BYD Co., a Chinese battery and auto maker, and Berkshire invested. Since 2008, Berkshire's BYD stake has surged more than six-fold, generating profit of about $1.2 billion, Mr. Buffett says. Mr. Li's hedge funds have garnered an annualized compound return of 26.4% since 1998, compared to 2.25% for the Standard & Poor's 500 stock index during the same period.

Mr. Li's ascent on Wall Street has been no less dramatic. He spent his childhood shuttling between foster families after his mother and father were sent to labor camps during the Cultural Revolution. After the Tiananmen Square protest, he escaped to France and came to the U.S. Investors in his hedge fund have included a group of senior U.S. business executives and the musician Sting, who calls Mr. Li "hardworking and clever."

Mr. Li's investing strategy represents a significant shift for Mr. Buffett: Mr. Li invests chiefly in high-technology companies in Asia. Mr. Buffett typically has ignored investments in industries he says he doesn't understand.

Mr. Buffett says Berkshire's top investing job could be filled by two or more managers who would be on equal footing and divide up responsibility for managing Berkshire's $100 billion portfolio. David Sokol, chairman of Berkshire unit MidAmerican Energy Holdings, is considered top contender for CEO. Mr. Sokol, 53, joined MidAmerican in 1991 and is known for his tireless work ethic.

In an interview, Mr. Buffett declines to comment directly on succession plans. But he doesn't rule out bringing in an investment manager such as Mr. Li while still at Berkshire's helm.

"I like the idea of bringing on other investment managers while I'm still here," Mr. Buffett says. He says he doesn't preclude making a move this year, though he adds that there is no "goal" to bring on an additional manager that quickly either. Mr. Buffett says he envisions a team approach in which the Berkshire investment officials would be "paid as a group" from one pot, he says. "I don't want them to compete."

Mr. Li fits the bill in some important ways, Mr. Buffett says. "You want someone" who "can think about problems that haven't yet existed before," he says. Mr. Li is a contrarian investor, loading up on BYD shares when they were beaten down. And he's a big fan of Berkshire, which may also help his cause. "We don't want them unless they have special feelings about Berkshire," Mr. Buffett says.

But hiring Mr. Li could be risky. His big bet on BYD is his only large-scale investing home run. Without the BYD profits, his performance as a hedge-fund manager is unremarkable.

It's unclear whether he could rack up such profits if managing a large portfolio of Berkshire's.

What's more, his strategy of "backing up the truck," to make large investments and not wavering when the markets turn down could backfire in a prolonged bear market. Despite a 200% return in 2009, he was down 13% at the end of June this year, nearly double the 6.6% drop in the S&P-500 during the period.

Mr. Li declines to discuss a potential Berkshire position, saying only that he feels fortunate to be a member of the Berkshire inner circle. "This is the stuff you can't conjure in dreams," he says.

Mr. Li was born in 1966, the year Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution began. When he was nine months old, he says, his father, an engineer, was sent to a coal mine to be "re-educated." His mother was sent to a labor camp. Mr. Li's parents paid various families to take him in. He was shuttled from family to family for several years until moving in with an illiterate coal miner, with whom he developed a close bond, in his hometown of Tangshan. Living apart from his family as a child taught him survival skills, Mr. Li says.

He was reunited with his family, including two brothers, by age 10, when a massive earthquake hit his hometown, killing an estimated 242,000 people in the area, including the coal miner and his family. His nuclear family was spared, he says, but "most of the people I knew were killed."

At the time, he says he had no direction and was fighting in the streets. Mr. Li says his grandmother, who was among the first women in her city to attend college, inspired him to begin reading and studying. He later attended Nanjing University, majoring in physics.

In April 1989, he traveled to Tiananmen Square in Beijing to meet with students who were gathering to mourn the death of Secretary General Hu Yaobang, who was viewed as a supporter of democracy and reforms.

The students protested against corruption, among other things, and Mr. Li helped organize the students and participated in a hunger strike.

He and other students fled to France. Later in 1989, he traveled to the U.S. to speak at Columbia University, where human-rights activists embraced him as a hero. He spoke little English but landed an advance to write a book about his experiences.

Helped by financial scholarships at Columbia, Mr. Li quickly learned English. He simultaneously earned three degrees: an economics degree, a law degree and a graduate degree in business, according to Columbia.

With his student loans piling up, Mr. Li attended a lecture by Mr. Buffett at Columbia in 1993. At the time, the 1990s bull market was in full swing, and hedge funds were on the rise. Mr. Li says in China he didn't trust financial markets but hearing Mr. Buffett helped him overcome skepticism about stock investing.

He began dabbling in stocks using money from his book advance. By his graduation in 1996, he had built a sizable nest egg and says he thought he could retire. Instead he took a job at securities firm Donaldson Lufkin & Jenrette and then left to set up his own hedge fund. In 1997, he had set up Himalaya Partners, a hedge fund. Later he started a venture-capital fund to invest in U.S. technology companies.

It was a heady time on Wall Street. The Internet boom was beginning. Investors were clamoring to find hot stocks.

Through his human-rights contacts, Mr. Li quickly attracted well-heeled clients including Bob Bernstein, former chairman of Random House and founder of Human Rights Watch as well as the musician Sting. Other investors included financier Jerome Kohlberg, News Corp. director emeritus and Allen & Co. executive Stanley Shuman and hedge fund manager Jack Nash, Mr. Li says.

But Mr. Li bombed out in 1998, his first year as a hedge fund manager. His fund, which was invested chiefly in Asian stocks, was hammered by the Asian debt crisis, and lost 19%.

"I felt bad that people had trusted me," he says. "All they knew was I was a student activist and all they saw was losses."

His fortunes rebounded as the Asian crisis quickly faded. As 1998 began, so did a huge new bull market. By now, the hedge-fund industry was growing gangbusters, and by the end of 1999, Mr. Li's fund had regained its losses.

In 2002, hedge-fund giant Julian Robertson gave Mr. Li money to invest in his fund on the condition that the fund would make bearish as well as bullish bets on companies.

It wasn't a good fit. Mr. Li says he "hated" betting against stocks, complaining that he had to "trade all the time" to adjust his portfolio. (The remaining parts of the fund now are being unwound.) Mr. Robertson declined to comment on the business relationship.

One of Mr. Li's human-rights contacts was Jane Olson, the wife of Ronald Olson, a Berkshire director and early partner at a Los Angeles law firm Mr. Munger helped found. Mr. Li began spending time at the Olsons' weekend home in Santa Barbara, Calif., and on Thanksgiving 2003 met Mr. Munger, whose home is nearby.

Mr. Munger says Mr. Li made an immediate impression. The two shared a "suspicion of reported earnings of finance companies," Mr. Munger says. "We don't like the bull—."

Mr. Munger gave Mr. Li some of his family's nest egg to invest to open a "value" fund betting on beaten-down stocks.

Two weeks later, Mr. Li says he met again with Mr. Munger to make certain he had heard right. In early 2004, Mr. Li opened a fund, putting in $4 million of his own money and raising an additional $50 million from other investors. Mr. Munger's family put in $50 million, followed by another $38 million. Part of Mr. Li's agreement with Mr. Munger was that the fund would be closed to new investors.

Mr. Li's big hit began in 2002 when he first invested in BYD, then a fledgling Chinese battery company. Its founder came from humble beginnings and started the company in 1995 with $300,000 of borrowed money.

Mr. Li made an initial investment in BYD soon after its initial public offering on the Hong Kong stock exchange. (BYD trades in the U.S. on the Pink Sheets and was recently quoted at $6.90 a share.)

When he opened the fund, he loaded up again on BYD shares, eventually investing a significant share of the $150 million fund with Mr. Munger in BYD, which already was growing quickly and had bought a bankrupt Chinese automaker. "He bought a little early and more later when the stock fell, which is his nature," Mr. Munger says.

In 2008, Mr. Munger persuaded Mr. Sokol to investigate BYD for Berkshire as well. Mr. Sokol went to China and when he returned, he and Mr. Munger convinced Mr. Buffett to load up on BYD. In September, Berkshire invested $230 million in BYD for a 10% stake in the company.

BYD's business has been on fire. It now has close to one-third of the global market for lithium-ion batteries, used in cell phones. Its bigger plans involve the electric and hybrid-vehicle business.

The test for BYD, one of the largest Chinese car makers, will be whether it can deliver on plans to develop the most effective lithium battery on the market that could become an even bigger source of power in the future. Even more promising is the potential to use the lithium battery to store power from other energy sources like solar and wind.

Says Mr. Munger: "The big lithium battery is a game-changer."

BYD is a big roll of the dice for Mr. Li. He is an informal adviser to the company and owns about 2.5% of the company.

Mr. Li's fund's $40 million investment in BYD is now worth about $400 million. Berkshire's $230 million investment in 2008 now is worth about $1.5 billion. Messrs. Buffett, Munger, Sokol, Li and Microsoft founder and Berkshire Director Bill Gates plan to visit China and BYD in September.

Mr. Li is able to travel in China on a limited basis today, but he hopes to regain full travel privileges soon. It isn't clear how he is viewed by the Chinese government.

Mr. Li declined to name his fund's other holdings. Despite this year's losses, the $600 million fund is up 338% since its late 2004 launch, an annualized return of around 30%, compared to less than 1% for the S&P 500 index.

Mr. Li told investors he took a lesson from watching the World Cup, comparing his investment style to soccer. "You may very well work extremely hard and seldom score," he says. "But occasionally—very occasionally—you get one or two great chances and you make decisive strikes that really matter."


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The U.S. government has repeatedly made it clear that it would welcome China’s entrance into the world arena as a power. However, a series of issues since the beginning of this year, particularly Washington's stance on the U.S.-South Korean joint military exercises and the South China Sea issue, have made the world think: Is the United States ready to recognize China as a power on the world stage?

It is easier said than done for the United States to adapt itself to China's development. Lip service is far from enough to boost the development of Sino-U.S. relations. If Washington cannot find a way to recognize and accept China's peaceful rise onto the world stage, bilateral ties will be like a roller coaster full of ups and downs. However, no one would like to see the negative effects rocky relations would bring to China, the United States and possibly to the world as a whole.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has urged China to play a greater role in solving the world's economic, environmental and political problems. She said global issues could not be solved by the United States or China alone, but without participation of the two countries, no problems would likely be solved. Washington has realized that the United States’ global interest can be maintained only through changing the way it deals with China.

The Obama administration released positive signals in its relations with China, which have been interpreted as the United States showing its intention to change the traditional strategy of engagement and containment. As a matter of fact, the general direction of Sino-U.S. relations provides a foundation on which the United States can base its foreign policies and is more complicated than an adjustment in real conditions. Issues such as arms sales to Taiwan, Google censorship, RMB exchange rates as well as finger-pointing about economic responsibility show Washington still seems confused and inpatient about relations with China.

The relationship between China and the United States is the most important and complicated bilateral relationship in the world this century. The development of Sino-U.S. relations will affect world peace and stability, especially in the Asia-Pacific region. Ian Bremmer, an American political scientist specializing in U.S. foreign policy, said, "America and China will have more than ever to gain from closer political and commercial ties, and must take steps to avoid a Cold War, or worse."

In that circumstance, the United States needs both wisdom and determination to recognize and accept China, a country that is totally different from its own, as a power on the world stage.

Try us, cowardly gweilo.

>“China is a big country and other countries are small countries, and that’s just a fact,” he said, staring directly at Singapore’s foreign minister, George Yeo, according to several participants at the meeting.

>On Monday, Yang issued a statement on the Foreign Ministry’s Web site saying that there was no need to internationalize the issue, that China was still intent on solving all of the disputes bilaterally and that China’s view represented the interests of “fellow Asians.”

Stay classy, Yang.

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China has overtaken Japan to become the world's second-largest economy, the fruit of three decades of rapid growth that has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty.

Depending on how fast its exchange rate rises, China is on course to overtake the United States and vault into the No. 1 spot sometime around 2025, according to projections by the World Bank, Goldman Sachs and others.

China came close to surpassing Japan in 2009 and the disclosure by a senior official that it had now done so comes as no surprise. Indeed, Yi Gang, China's chief currency regulator, mentioned the milestone in passing in remarks published yesterday.

"China, in fact, is now already the world's second-largest economy," he said in an interview with China Reform magazine posted on the website ( of his agency, the State Administration of Foreign Exchange.

Although cruising past Japan in gross terms, China's per-capita income of about US$3,800 a year is a fraction of Japan's or America's.

"China is still a developing country, and we should be wise enough to know ourselves," Yi said, when asked whether the time was ripe for the yuan to become an international currency.

China's economy expanded 11.1 percent in the first half of 2010 from a year earlier, and is likely to log growth of more than 9 percent for the whole year, Yi said.

China has averaged more than 9.5 percent growth annually since it embarked on market reforms in 1978. But that pace was bound to slow over time as a matter of arithmetic, Yi said.

If China could chalk up growth this decade of 7 to 8 percent annually, that would still be a strong performance. The issue was whether the pace could be sustained, Yi said, not least because of the environmental constraints China faces.

If China can keep up a clip of 5 to 6 percent a year in the 2020s, it will have maintained rapid growth for 50 years, which Yi said would be unprecedented in human history.

China overtook Britain and France in 2005 and then Germany in 2007.

The country is a leading member of the Group of 20 rich and emerging nations, which since the 2008 financial crisis has become the world's premier economic policy-setting forum.

Yi said the Chinese government had no timetable to make the yuan fully convertible.

"China is very big and its development is unbalanced, which makes this problem much more complicated. It's difficult to reach a consensus on it," he said.

No rush on yuan

In the same vein, China was in no rush to turn the yuan into a global currency.

"We must be modest and we still have to keep a low profile. If other people choose the yuan as a reserve currency, we won't stop that as it is the demand of the market. However, we will not push hard to promote it," he added.

China has been encouraging the use of the yuan beyond its borders, allowing more trade to be settled in yuan and taking a series of measures to establish Hong Kong as an offshore center where the currency can circulate freely.

  My motherland 我的祖國

Theme song of Shangganling Battle.
In the Korean war in early 1950s, a group of Chinese People's Volunteer soldiers are blocked in Shangganling mountain area for around 23 days. Lack of food, water, ammo and they miss their mother country very much.

I haven't forgotten about that thread gweilofag (I've just been away from /n/ for a couple of days), I'll address your points and answer the questions you asked me tomorrow probably.

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>Hillary poke her nose into our affairs and said Chinese claims to parts of the SCS are invalid, despite stating before that they will take no sides when they first intruded.
This comes as no surprise to those that understands the gweilo's nature.

>>“China is a big country and other countries are small countries, and that’s just a fact,” he said, staring directly at Singapore’s foreign minister, George Yeo, according to several participants at the meeting.
>Stating a fact is considered a 'threat' by gweilos.
>Reassurance that China will not use its size difference to overwhelm other Asian nation's interest is dismissed as 'unimportant'.

>>But then China inserted itself into the debate, claiming that any military exercise in the Yellow Sea would be seen as threatening to Beijing
>Implying the US inserting itself into China-ASEAN territorial disputes could ever be comparable to US doing a LIVE FIRE exercise within range of Beijing and other major Chinese cities.
Stay classy, gweilo propagandists.

I don't have a clue what thread you're talking about, but take your time. I'm not going anywhere, and neither is this sticky.

  Foreign brides turn out to be compulsive gamblers, and worse!

She's getting older, her Chinese internal clock is telling her that she must play mahjong. This guy just doesn't understand.

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A big concern on top of urban transportation planner’s mind is how to speed up the traffic: putting more buses on the road will jam the roads even worse and deteriorate the air; building more subway is costly and time consuming. Well, here is an cheaper, greener and fast alternative to lighten their mind up a bit: the straddling bus, first exhibited on the 13th Beijing International High-tech Expo in May this year. In the near future, the model is to be put into pilot use in Beijing’s Mentougou District (bjnews). (The official site of the high-tech expo put it as 3D fast bus, which I think is more confusing, for now I’ll just call it the straddling bus.)

Proposed by Shenzhen Hashi Future Parking Equipment Co., Ltd, the model looks like a subway or light-rail train bestriding the road. It is 4-4.5 m high with two levels: passengers board on the upper level while other vehicles lower than 2 m can go through under. Powered by electricity and solar energy, the bus can speed up to 60 km/h carrying 1200-1400 passengers at a time without blocking other vehicles’ way. Also it costs about 500 million yuan to build the bus and a 40-km-long path for it, only 10% of building equivalent subway. It is said that the bus can reduce traffic jams by 20-30%.

Here is the presentation by Song Youzhou, chairman of Shenzhen Hashi Future Parking Equipment Co., Ltd.

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What you can see from the video is traffic jams, what you can hear is noise, and there is also invisible air pollution. At present, there are mainly 4 types of public transits in China: subway, light-rail train, BRT, and normal bus. They have advantages and disadvantages, for example, subway costs a lot and takes long time to build; BRT takes up road spaces and produces noises as well as pollution to the air. How to develop environmental-friendly public transportation? Straddling bus provides a solution. Let’s watch a demonstration.

The straddling bus combines the advantages of BRT, it is also a substitution for BRT and subway in the future. As you all know, the majority vehicle on the road is car, the shortest vehicle is also car. Normally our overpass is 4.5-5.5 m high. The highlight innovation of straddling bus is that it runs above car and under overpass. Its biggest strength is saving road spaces, efficient and high in capacity. It can reduce up to 25-30% traffic jams on main routes. Running at an average 40 km/h, it can take 1200 people at a time, which means 300 passengers per cart.

Another strength of straddling bus is its short construction life cycle: only 1 year to build 40 km. Whereas building 40-km subway will take 3 years at best. Also the straddling bus will not need the large parking lot that normal buses demand. It can park at its own stop without affecting the passage of cars. This is what the interior looks like: it has huge skylight that will eliminate passengers’ sense of depression when enter.

There are two parts in building the straddling bus. One is remodeling the road, the other is building station platforms. Two ways to remodel the road: we can go with laying rails on both sides of car lane, which save 30% energy; or we can paint two white lines on both sides and use auto-pilot technology in the bus, which will follow the lines and run stable.

There are also two ways in dealing with station platform. One is to load/unload through the sides; the other is using the built-in ladder so that passengers can go up and to the overpass through the ceiling door.

Straddling bus is completely powered by municipal electricity and solar energy system. In terms of electricity, the setting is called relay direct current electrification. The bus itself is electrical conductor, two rails built on top to allow the charging post to run along with the bus, the next charging post will be on the rails before the earlier one leaves, that is why we call it relay charging. It is new invention, not available yet in other places.

The set here is super capacitor, a device that can charge, discharge and store electricity quickly. The power it stores during the stop can support the bus till the next stop where another round of charging takes place, achieving zero toxic gas throughout the process.

About the ultrasonic waves put forth from the end of the bus, that is to keep those high cars or trucks away from entering the tunnel. Using laser ray to scan, cars get too close to the passage will activate the alarm on the bus end. Inside the bus, there are turning lights that indicate a the bus is intending to make a turn to warn the cars inside. Also radar scanning system is embedded on the walls to warn cars from getting too close to the bus wheels.

Nowadays many big cities have remodeled their traffic signaling system, to prioritize public buses, that is to say when a bus reaches a crossing, red light on the other side of the fork will turn on automatically to give buses the right of way. Our straddling bus can learn from this BRT method. The car can make the turn with the bus if that is the direction it wants to go too; if not, the red light will be on to stop the cars beneath while the bus take the turn.

The bus is 6 m in width and 4-4.5 m high. How will people get off the bus if an accident happens to such a huge bus? Here I introduce the most advanced escaping system in the world. In the case of fire or other emergencies, the escaping door will open automatically. I believe many of you have been on a plane. Planes are equipped with inflated ladder so people can slide down on it in emergency. I put the escaping concept into the straddling bus. It is the fastest way to escape.

The bus can save up to 860 ton of fuel per year, reducing 2,640 ton of carbon emission. Presently we have passed the first stage demonstration and will get through all of the technical invalidation by the end of August. Beijing’s Mentougou District is carrying out a eco-community project, it has already planned out 186 km for our straddling bus. Construction will begin at year end.

Thank you.

how are they planning on making it turn?

>implying the chinese can think a problem through or make this work
Why not just build a double decker road and use normal buses on top?

A knife-wielding man went on a slashing rampage in a kindergarten in eastern China, leaving three children and one teacher dead, area residents reported Wednesday.

The unidentified assailant entered the school in a suburb of Zibo in Shandong province at about 4 p.m. Tuesday as parents were picking up their children, according to people living nearby contacted by telephone.

About 20 children and staff were injured, two of the children seriously, they said.

China this year has suffered a spate of gory rampage attacks on schools and in public spaces, leaving dozens of people dead and scores wounded.

A woman who works in a restaurant opposite the Boshan District Experimental Kindergarten's Jinfengyuan branch said the attacker was a man aged 27 or 28 who had gained entry to the school by posing as a parent.

Police rushed to the kindergarten soon after the attack and officers transported some injured children to hospital before ambulances had time to arrive, said the woman, who would give only her surname, Zhang.

"The kindergarten has been sealed off until now. There're still police officers there," Zhang said.

Zhang and other area residents said the teacher died of her injuries Wednesday morning.

The Zibo killings came just two days after a man in Hebei province to the west went on a rampage at the wheel of his earthmover, smashing vehicles and buildings and leaving 17 dead.

Other recent mass killings include a May 12 attack on a kindergarten in the northern province of Shaanxi that left seven children and two adults dead and the wounding of 29 children at a kindergarten in Jiangsu province in April.

The seemingly unrelated attacks have prompted calls for more attention to diagnosing serious mental illnesses and ignited fears over the toll stress is taking on the nation's emotional health.

Authorities have responded with increased security at schools and orders to limit media coverage of the attacks to discourage copycats.

Local officials in Zibo hung up the phone when reporters called for information on the attack.

Killing children is the Chinese national sport


Since the UN has ruled that secession is a right, China should let all these ethnic groups form their own countries.

China and Serbia supported and fed every single Albanian on the planet throughout the Cold War, but now the Albanians have found allies in America and shit freely all over people who gave them everything.

I just wonder when Albanians will stab America in the back too...

Beijing - Vast floating islands of rubbish and debris, accumulated after torrential rains and flooding, are threatening to topple a bridge and jam two big dams in China, state media reported on Wednesday.

One layer of garbage covering 15 000 square metres had lodged under a bridge in the north-eastern city of Baishan in Jilin province and was blocking water flow, the China Daily reported.

Officials fear a fresh wave of flooding, if crews fail to clear the debris, could bring down the bridge. If the island is washed downstream, it could block floodgates at the Yunfeng dam, now operating at full capacity.

Emergency services were scrambling to clean up the waterway, near the border with North Korea, but fear it could take days.

"We have collected 40 trucks of the trash, but the remaining trash might fill another 200 trucks," the official Xinhua agency quoted police officer Wang Yong as saying.

More rain is forecast in the coming days.

In nearby Tonghua city, water supplies were restored on Wednesday, four days after flooding ripped apart pipelines, the official Xinhua agency said.

A similar vast garbage mat was threatening to jam the locks of China's huge Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze River in southwestern China, state media reported this week.

The crust of debris was jammed so thick in places that people could stand on it.

Jilin has been devastated by floods this summer, with more than 140 people listed as dead or missing over the past two months.

Nearly 800 000 people have been evacuated, 64 000 homes have collapsed and valuable farmland has been inundated. - Reuters

>Albanians stab america in the back.

since when do Yugoslavian countries have any influence over anything.

Since an idiot can fly a passenger jet into the pentagon.

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ISN = Whitewatch guy?

Bye bye white terrorism...

ABOARD THE USS GEORGE WASHINGTON – Nothing projects U.S. global air and sea power more vividly than supercarriers. Bristling with fighter jets that can reach deep into even landlocked trouble zones, America’s virtually invincible carrier fleet has long enforced its dominance of the high seas.

China may soon put an end to that.

U.S. naval planners are scrambling to deal with what analysts say is a game-changing weapon being developed by China — an unprecedented carrier-killing missile called the Dong Feng 21D that could be launched from land with enough accuracy to penetrate the defenses of even the most advanced moving aircraft carrier at a distance of more than 1,500 kilometers (900 miles).

Analysts say final testing of the missile could come as soon as the end of this year, though questions remain about how fast China will be able to perfect its accuracy to the level needed to threaten a moving carrier at sea.

The weapon, a version of which was displayed last year in a Chinese military parade, could revolutionize China’s role in the Pacific balance of power, seriously weakening Washington’s ability to intervene in any potential conflict over Taiwan or North Korea. It could also deny U.S. ships safe access to international waters near China’s 11,200-mile (18,000-kilometer) -long coastline.

While a nuclear bomb could theoretically sink a carrier, assuming its user was willing to raise the stakes to atomic levels, the conventionally-armed Dong Feng 21D’s uniqueness is in its ability to hit a powerfully defended moving target with pin-point precision.

The Chinese Defense Ministry did not immediately respond to the AP’s request for a comment.

Funded by annual double-digit increases in the defense budget for almost every year of the past two decades, the Chinese navy has become Asia’s largest and has expanded beyond its traditional mission of retaking Taiwan to push its sphere of influence deeper into the Pacific and protect vital maritime trade routes.

“The Navy has long had to fear carrier-killing capabilities,” said Patrick Cronin, senior director of the Asia-Pacific Security Program at the nonpartisan, Washington-based Center for a New American Security. “The emerging Chinese antiship missile capability, and in particular the DF 21D, represents the first post-Cold War capability that is both potentially capable of stopping our naval power projection and deliberately designed for that purpose.”

Setting the stage for a possible conflict, Beijing has grown increasingly vocal in its demands for the U.S. to stay away from the wide swaths of ocean — covering much of the Yellow, East and South China seas — where it claims exclusivity.

It strongly opposed plans to hold U.S.-South Korean war games in the Yellow Sea off the northeastern Chinese coast, saying the participation of the USS George Washington supercarrier, with its 1,092-foot (333-meter) flight deck and 6,250 personnel, would be a provocation because it put Beijing within striking range of U.S. F-18 warplanes.

The carrier instead took part in maneuvers held farther away in the Sea of Japan.

U.S. officials deny Chinese pressure kept it away, and say they will not be told by Beijing where they can operate.

“We reserve the right to exercise in international waters anywhere in the world,” Rear Adm. Daniel Cloyd, who headed the U.S. side of the exercises, said aboard the carrier during the maneuvers, which ended last week.

But the new missile, if able to evade the defenses of a carrier and of the vessels sailing with it, could undermine that policy.

“China can reach out and hit the U.S. well before the U.S. can get close enough to the mainland to hit back,” said Toshi Yoshihara, an associate professor at the U.S. Naval War College. He said U.S. ships have only twice been that vulnerable — against Japan in World War II and against Soviet bombers in the Cold War.

Carrier-killing missiles “could have an enduring psychological effect on U.S. policymakers,” he e-mailed to The AP. “It underscores more broadly that the U.S. Navy no longer rules the waves as it has since the end of World War II. The stark reality is that sea control cannot be taken for granted anymore.”

Yoshihara said the weapon is causing considerable consternation in Washington, though — with attention focused on land wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — its implications haven’t been widely discussed in public.

Analysts note that while much has been made of China’s efforts to ready a carrier fleet of its own, it would likely take decades to catch U.S. carrier crews’ level of expertise, training and experience.

But Beijing does not need to match the U.S. carrier for carrier. The Dong Feng 21D, smarter, and vastly cheaper, could successfully attack a U.S. carrier, or at least deter it from getting too close.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned of the threat in a speech last September at the Air Force Association Convention.

“When considering the military-modernization programs of countries like China, we should be concerned less with their potential ability to challenge the U.S. symmetrically — fighter to fighter or ship to ship — and more with their ability to disrupt our freedom of movement and narrow our strategic options,” he said.

Gates said China’s investments in cyber and anti-satellite warfare, anti-air and anti-ship weaponry, along with ballistic missiles, “could threaten America’s primary way to project power” through its forward air bases and carrier strike groups.

The Pentagon has been worried for years about China getting an anti-ship ballistic missile. The Pentagon considers such a missile an “anti-access,” weapon, meaning that it could deny others access to certain areas.

The Air Force’s top surveillance and intelligence officer, Lt. Gen. David Deptula, told reporters this week that China’s effort to increase anti-access capability is part of a worrisome trend.

He did not single out the DF 21D, but said: “While we might not fight the Chinese, we may end up in situations where we’ll certainly be opposing the equipment that they build and sell around the world.”

Questions remain over when — and if — China will perfect the technology; hitting a moving carrier is no mean feat, requiring state-of-the-art guidance systems, and some experts believe it will take China a decade or so to field a reliable threat. Others, however, say final tests of the missile could come in the next year or two.

Former Navy commander James Kraska, a professor of international law and sea power at the U.S. Naval War College, recently wrote a controversial article in the magazine Orbis outlining a hypothetical scenario set just five years from now in which a Deng Feng 21D missile with a penetrator warhead sinks the USS George Washington.

That would usher in a “new epoch of international order in which Beijing emerges to displace the United States.”

While China’s Defense Ministry never comments on new weapons before they become operational, the DF 21D — which would travel at 10 times the speed of sound and carry conventional payloads — has been much discussed by military buffs online.

A pseudonymous article posted on Xinhuanet, website of China’s official news agency, imagines the U.S. dispatching the George Washington to aid Taiwan against a Chinese attack.

The Chinese would respond with three salvos of DF 21D, the first of which would pierce the hull, start fires and shut down flight operations, the article says. The second would knock out its engines and be accompanied by air attacks. The third wave, the article says, would “send the George Washington to the bottom of the ocean.”

no worries, now being tested in the US are directed energy missile defense systems small enough to fit on a destroyer. let's that thing move around those.


Yeah good luck with those laser weapons you haven't been able to make work for the last 30 years

the fuck do you talking about, they work just fine.


>sometimes nicknamed R2-D2 - to fire a laser at enemy aircraft.

NOT missiles traveling faster than the speed of sound

Fortune: Nobody can be exactly like you.

Lucky Numbers 34, 4, 12, 37, 32, 33

Cookie review: It tasted like sugary cardboard. You chinks have a long way to go when it comes to cookies. And what the fuck am I supposed to do with those lucky numbers?

Fortune cookies were spawned from Americhimp "culture".

White subhumans don't know anything about cooking.

Whites never learned how to cook dogs and cats


too busy eating shit and maggots

it's already anti missile, they modified it to be anti-aircraft.

anti missile is usually simpler since you can predict where they go next.

also something heading towards you is easier to hit.

It's an SRBM with a conventional warhead, quit fellating yourselves over it.

Isn't this supposed to have that chinese over-the-horizon radar that doesn't even exist yet?

I hate it when the media runs stories about weapons development, they really do know fuck all about it.

And many regional Chinese cuisines have things considered equally disgusting by many, such as insects.

Who cares what it's made from, as long as it's not too unhealthy and it tastes good?


Three of the five deadliest conflicts were in China. I guess they weren't superior enough to prevent such things.


There is nothing equally disgusting as fermented shark or shit cheese with LIVE MAGGOTS HOPPING AROUND IN IT


Guess you're stupid enough to believe poor interpretation of classical demographics

Bamboo worms? Bee larvae? Ants? Centipedes?

That's equally as disgusting.

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Fury in China as female babies grow breasts after drinking milk laced with hormones

Female babies in China have grown breasts after they were given milk laced with hormones.

The horrifying scenes have caused uproar among parents in central China, who fear that the milk powder they used had led to the premature developments.

The official China Daily newspaper reported today that medical tests indicated that the level of hormones in three 'test case' girls, ranging in age from four months to 15 months, exceeded those found in the average adult woman.

All the babies who showed symptoms of the phenomenon were fed the same baby formula.

'The amount of hormones in the babies definitely means there's a problem,' said Mr Yang Qin, chief physician in the child care department at the Hubei Maternity and Children's Hospital.

He urged parents to stop using the formula and insisted that the milk powder be subjected to chemical analysis.

But his suggestion has come up against red tape.

Local food safety authorities have refused one mother's request to investigate the formula, made by the Synutra company, claiming they do not conduct tests when requested by consumers.

According to the Global Times newspaper the suspect baby formula is still being sold in the Hubei provincial capital, Wuhan, at discounted prices and is also on store shelves in Beijing.

Synutra insisted that its products were safe, claiming that 'no man-made hormones or any illegal substances were added during the production of the milk powder'.

As experts tried to pin down the source of the hormones that resulted in babies growing breasts, a dairy association said the hormones could have entered the food chain when farmers reared the cattle.

'Since a regulation forbidding the use of hormones to cultivate livestock has yet to be drawn up in China, it would be lying to say nobody uses it,' said Mr Wang Dingmian, the former chairman of the dairy association in the southern province of Guangdong.

Two years ago Chinese dairy products were recalled worldwide after it was revealed that melamine, used to make plastics, was widely and illegally added to the products to give the appearance of higher protein.

At least six infants died and 300,000 others fell sick as a result of the malamine additions, it was claimed.

china will grow bustier

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By Zuo She

Despite China's continued economic success, its elite continue to flee the country in droves.

While previous waves of Chinese emigrants tended to be manual laborers or uneducated farmers, the majority of the current wave are from the new rich and the intellectual classes, because they have the money and resources to negotiate through increasingly tough migration regimes overseas.

The destinations are often Australia, Singapore, the US, Canada, and other developed countries.

It's been reported that a total value of 2.35 billion yuan ($347 million) worth of capital has left China for Canada along with these emigrants. Every day nearly 60 upper-middle-class Chinese with a high income, good education and decent jobs apply to emigrate to Canada.

Why are they leaving at a time when China is doing far better economically than most of the world?

Southern Weekend, an influential weekly Chinese newspaper, conducted a series of interviews and discerned a variety of motives. Emigrants desired "normative law," "better education for children," "high welfare," "healthy air," "safe food," and "visa-free passports."

There are several levels of motivation here.

The most basic is the desire to avoid health risks, such as air, food and so on.

Given China's severe environmental situation, this is hardly surprising.

Then there are those factors relating to social welfare, such as education, healthcare, housing and so on.

There's certainly a huge gap between China and most Western countries in these areas.

The systems in other countries may not be perfect, but with the partial exception of the US, citizens generally enjoy a level of welfare from the cradle to the grave that Chinese desire very much.

Right now in China, buying a house destroys a young couple, funding a student destroys his parents, and a serious illness destroys life savings. This is the reality of life even for the urban middle classes at the moment.

Finally, there is the desire for functioning institutions, and in particular a legal system that treats all players fairly.

Western countries built legal systems earlier than China, and the spirit of the rule of law is more accepted.

China is in a transitional period at the moment between a power and interest driven legal system and a genuinely impartial system where all are equal before the law. Then there's constant presence of bureaucracy and officialdom in China, which often intrudes into everyday life in a way that isn't the case in the West.

What all of these motivations share is a feeling of insecurity.

This is the biggest factor driving the elite away from China - they simply don't feel that they can hold on to what they have safely.

There is also the increasingly eat-or-be-eaten nature of Chinese business, which has little toleration for failure or hesitation.

This sense of insecurity and anxiety reduces citizens' sense of pride in their country, and makes emigration a plausible option.

We shouldn't blame those who chose to leave, but look at why they do so.

Only by building a stable and secure society at home can we prevent people from seizing the chance to find a safer life in a foreign land.

The author is a Beijing-based journalist. forum@ globaltimes.


>its elite continue to flee the country in droves.

Keep dreaming.

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SHANGHAI — Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe Wednesday thanked China for its steadfast support as he visited the World Expo in Shanghai and called for help in reviving his country's shattered economy.
Mugabe expressed his deep gratitude to Beijing and called for deeper cooperation, at a time when his country is struggling with a decade of acute food shortages.
"China has always stood by Zimbabwe," Mugabe said as he presided over Zimbabwe Day at the Expo.
"It is thus natural and logical for us to forge a strategic relationship with an all-weather friend as the People's Republic of China."
China is not a party to international sanctions on Mugabe, who is the subject of a Western travel ban and asset freeze.
He spoke a day after the United Nations' food agencies said 133,000 tonnes of food aid would be needed to help 1.68 million Zimbabweans between now and the next harvest in May.
Once a breadbasket of southern Africa, Zimbabwe's food shortages have been brought on by drought and Mugabe's crippling land-reform programme.
Mugabe said his country had "immensely benefited" from China's "generosity in several areas, including the supply of agricultural materials, and food assistance where inclement weather has affected our harvests".
He called for Beijing to expand cooperation with Zimbabwe under the Forum on China-Africa Cooperation, or FOCAC, through which China invests in African countries in exchange for oil, copper and other materials it needs to fuel its breakneck economic expansion.
China has invested billions of dollars in Africa, raising eyebrows in the West, but many African leaders have praised China for not preaching about human rights and corruption.
With Zimbabwe's economy crippled by widespread problems, mining is the country's main foreign currency earner. Zimbabwe has huge coal, gold, platinum and diamond deposits.
Zimbabwe was due to resume selling diamond stocks on Wednesday -- which Mugabe says have the potential to revive the country -- after international investigators confirmed the military had left the blood diamond trade.
Copyright © 2010 AFP. All rights reserved. More »

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I heard that China overtook Japan as the world's second largest economy. Congrats to the Communist Country that Could! Viva big governmennnnnnnnt


in b4 the nukes start flying

>I heard that China overtook Japan as the world's second largest economy
Yes, China is now right behind the US. Soon it will be number one!

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The Pentagon says China's military power is on the rise as it pursues more land-based missiles and attack submarines, and that the secrecy of its drive increases the risk of miscalculation.

The annual military assessment was released Monday. It comes at a time of strained U.S. relations with Beijing.

This year, the two countries have been at odds on whether North Korea attacked a South Korean warship and how to settle China's longtime dispute with Taiwan.

The Pentagon report says Beijing is actively pursuing ways to prevent the U.S. from intervening in a potential conflict with Taiwan. The report also says the country's secrecy about its military program "increases the potential for misunderstanding and miscalculation."

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if America wants to maintain peace all it has to do it give nukes to Taiwan.

the only true peace is deterrence.

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When it comes to animation, China wants to be the next Japan.

Long envious of its Asian neighbor’s success with anime, China is nurturing homegrown cartoonists and animators and encouraging them to produce films of their own. With the blessing of the country’s Ministry of Culture, provinces and municipalities are staging contests, festivals and conferences, all aimed at getting homegrown talent more exposure -- and some badly needed attention on the international stage.

The holy grail is theatrical, TV and especially home entertainment distribution contracts in the United States that played a key role in helping anime break out of its native Japan and become a true international phenomenon in the early 2000s.

Leading the charge is the city of Guiyang, capital of Guizhou province in southwest China. Since 2007, the city has been staging an annual Asian Youth Animation and Comics Contest, which this year attracted jurists, speakers, panelists and other participants from more than 26 countries and regions, including the United States.

Speaking during the festival’s opening ceremonies, Gao Zheng, deputy director general for the Chinese Ministry of Culture’s Department of Culture Industry, said the comic and animation industry is a key part of China’s culture industry, which is “one of the most important elements for the prosperous development of social culture in the market economic environment.”

Translation: cartoons are among China’s great economic hopes for the future.

Jerzy Moszkowicz, director of the Children’s Art Centre in Poznan, Poland, called the AYACC one of the most important events “on the world map of animation meetings and festivals” because of its focus on Chinese animation, a talent pool that remains pretty much untapped by Westerners.

“It is a chance to discover young talent,” he said, “and creates an extremely wide forum for the exchange of opinion and ideas.”

“We try to invite famous animators and cartoon artists [to our conference] to inspire the young people,” said Liuyi Wang, general secretary of the AYACC, who added that the conference’s focus is on nurturing and encouraging young talent and helping this talent gain exposure.

This year’s guest list included top animators and cartoonists from all over the world, including Mark Walsh, a supervising animator and director at Pixar Animation Studios.

Wang is convinced Chinese animation can become every bit as big as Japan’s anime business, a multimillion-dollar industry that at one point, in the early 2000s, was the fastest-growing segment in the then-burgeoning DVD sell-through business, according to a January 2003 story in Japan Inc. magazine.

“First of all, China has a huge potential domestic market for animation and its merchandised products,” Wang said. “In addition, the emerging Chinese animation industry is targeting the international market, not just the domestic market.”

Wang said it “it will take some time” for China to develop, produce and market animation with universal appeal, but he believes ultimately the country’s animators will prove capable of doing so, particularly if they can learn the ropes through partnerships and co-productions, ideally with U.S. collaborators and distribution partners.

“The United States and China have formed very strong business and trade relationships,” Wang said. “Each country shares the benefits of these relationships. Now is the time for China to provide culture products, especially animation, to the United States, because we believe more and more American people can understand China better through Chinese culture. This is the reason we should find the channels in America to distribute Chinese animation in your country.”

Wang noted that already, American animation is becoming increasingly popular in China. “So we hope Chinese animation also can be welcomed by the American people,” he said. “Exchange and cooperation of animation films and programs will play a great role in building up our culture and entertainment industry.”

The explosive growth of Japan’s anime business was fueled, at least in part, by the country’s rich tradition with comics and print cartoons, or “manga”—which since the 1950s has become an increasingly important part of Japan’s publishing industry.

Wang is hoping new media, and new content distribution platforms, will do for Chinese animation what manga did for anime.

“Now, more and more Chinese people like to read graphic novels and comics, and we have several big publishing houses that are now publishing and releasing cartoon magazines and books,” he said. “But the big breakthrough for Chinese animation and cartoons may be realized by new media.

“Within one year, it is expected that China will have more than 100 million users of iPhones and other 3G mobile phones. They will use the iPhone and the iPad to enjoy animation and cartoons. They will change the traditional way of reading.”

Already, Guiyang’s work to develop a strong and vibrant Chinese animation industry has caught the eyes of others in the country. Among them are provincial leaders in Guangdong, China's richest province, who are planning to build a $1 billion “animation city,” complete with studios, research and development labs, a production center, an education and training center, a copyright trading center and even “animation-themed apartments” capable of housing up to 8,000 people.

Guangdong is already the world’s largest manufacturing center for toys, and boasts China’s highest GDP. Guangdong Animation City will be located in the city of Conghua, which is home to 13 universities and colleges.

Guiyang, meanwhile, also is ratcheting up its efforts on behalf of Chinese animation. During this year’s AYACC, organizers announced plans to set up an Asian-Pacific Animation & Comics Exchange in the Xiaohe district of their city. The center will include exhibition space, a library, a museum, and animation studios -- as well as a permanent home for the convention.

Gates is going to start slashing at the US military budget from all sides.

The KMT are going to let mainland university students colonise Kinmen, presenting all sorts of terrible security threats; ultimately, there will be so many mainlanders in Taiwan that the CCP will have all sorts of ways to use them to stir up a world of trouble.

Those people are fucked.

>The KMT are going to let mainland university students colonise Kinmen, presenting all sorts of terrible security threats; ultimately, there will be so many mainlanders in Taiwan that the CCP will have all sorts of ways to use them to stir up a world of trouble.

Are Chinese the Borg?

Dead thread is dead.
Remove it, nobody uses it anymore.

That's because you post China news outside of it, against the wishes of Anonex

>If this sticky stays as empty as I think it's going to, I'll take it down and just have a ban on china local news.

>ban on China news


I don't post China news, it's a boring topic; this sticky is just not needed anymore, it has no discussion and the faggot who was spamming is long gone.

it's a good idea to keep it around, so our yellow-skinned friends don't get uppity again

Why not just remove it, then put one back up if they get out out of control again.

Gullible fools. The yellow menace isn't over. They're just biding their time, waiting for us to let our guard down.

"There were no posts on this thread for an entire day! Get rid of it!" - Communist plant detected.

Someones paranoid.

Delete sticky, make /n/ rule banning China news as promised

News is a Bannable offense now?


China news, yes

You are not a mod, your opinion is invalid.

It is anonex' opinion


No it's not, his opinion is to put up a sticky, not ban the topic you idiot.

Nine-day traffic jam stretches over 100km

* From: NewsCore
* August 23, 2010 6:35PM

MAINTENANCE work, wrecks and broken down cars caused a nine-day traffic jam in China that stretched for more than 100 kilometres, Chinese daily newspaper The Global Times reported.

The traffic jam, on the Beijing-Tibet Expressway between Beijing and Huai'an, began on August 14 when thousands of Beijing-bound coal and fruit trucks jammed the roadway.

A major cause of the congestion was maintenance work on the nearby National Expressway 110, which had suffered damage from heavy vehicles.

The roadworks work forced drivers to use the Beijing-Tibet Expressway instead.

Coupled with several minor accidents and broken down cars, traffic has now been stranded on the expressway for the past nine days.

The traffic jam is expected to last for almost a month with maintenance work on the National Expressway 110 not due to be finished until September 13.

Drivers were reportedly playing cards to kill time on the roadway.

Residents who live along the roadway were reportedly profiting from the traffic jam, selling food to stranded drivers at inflated prices.

"Instant noodles are sold at four times the original price while I wait in the congestion," one driver told the Global Times. "Not only the congestion annoys me, but also those vendors."

Others joked that concerts should be held along the roadway to keep drivers entertained.

About 400 traffic police are on duty by the roadway to maintain law and order.

He only posted twice ITT, try to read his posts

>If this sticky stays as empty as I think it's going to, I'll take it down and just have a ban on china local news.

That is only for local news, not China news in general, try harder.


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And then shorter:

China Will Start Building 186 Kilometers of Track for Mega Straddle Buses by the end of 2010 to Help Reduce Traffic Jams by 25-30%

this stupid Idea again.


Whites simply do not have the sheer racial and genetic merit that East Asians do. Anything whites have is the product of luck, abundant natural resources, and genocidal impulses.

Whites have excelled Asians in every facet of mankind.

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Nope. Whites are subhuman savages that were worthless morons for 30000 years. East Asians created writing, civilization, government, language, culture, agriculture. Pic related, it's a Sumerian king.

So many fantasies you tell yourself at night. Let's start with something easy, where is your architecture that rivals Europe?


European architecture = shit

Hur durp lets stack stones on top of each other and then every 10000 years we'll have 1 good idea by mistake! HURP DURP

Good thing we're in our comfy temperate disaster free Euro chimp habitat or our ugly buildings would collapse

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A number of the world’s biggest banks have launched international roadshows promoting the use of the renminbi to corporate customers instead of the dollar for trade deals with China.

HSBC, which recently moved its chief executive from London to Hong Kong, and Standard Chartered, are offering discounted transaction fees and other financial incentives to companies that choose to settle trade in the Chinese currency.

“We’re now capable of doing renminbi settlement in many parts of the world,” said Chris Lewis, HSBC’s head of trade for greater China. “All the other major international banks are frantically trying to do the same thing.”

HSBC and StanChart are among a slew of global banks – including Citigroup and JPMorgan – holding roadshows across Asia, Europe and the US to promote the renminbi to companies.

The move aligns the banks favourably with Beijing’s policy priorities and positions them to profit from what is expected to be a rapidly growing line of business in the future.

The phenomenon will accelerate Beijing’s drive to transform the renminbi from a domestic currency into a global medium of exchange like the dollar and euro.

Chinese central bank officials accompanied StanChart bankers on a roadshow to Korea and Japan in June. The bank held similar events in London, Frankfurt and Paris.

Lisa Robins, JPMorgan’s head of treasury and securities services for China, said there had been a “spike in interest” from international clients.

An increasing number of Chinese companies have been asking foreign trading partners to accept renminbi as payment, said Carmen Ling, Hong Kong head of global transaction services at Citi.

BBVA, Spain’s second-biggest bank, is also drawing up plans for a global marketing campaign that will focus on Latin American companies that export to China.

Banks started establishing renminbi trade settlement operations in mid-2009, when Beijing introduced a pilot scheme allowing companies to use the renminbi for trade outside China.

The scramble has intensified in recent months as Beijing has substantially expanded the scheme – from a handful of Asian countries to the whole world – and introduced other liberalisations to its currency regime.

Cross-border trade in renminbi totalled Rmb70.6bn ($10bn) in the first half of the year – about 20 times the Rmb3.6bn recorded in the second half of 2009.

But those figures remain tiny compared to the $2,800bn worth of goods and services that were traded across China’s borders last year, most of which was settled in dollars or euros.

With renminbi trade settlement volumes expected to increase rapidly, banks are under pressure to establish a foothold in the nascent market and demonstrate to Chinese officials that they are committed to the scheme.

China has taken several steps in recent months to boost the international use of its currency and to establish Hong Kong, the special administrative region, as the global centre for offshore renminbi business.

McDonald’s, the US burger chain and icon of globalisation, took advantage of the new rules this month when it became the first foreign multinational to issue renminbi-denominated bonds in Hong Kong.

Why don't they just build a second level of roads and reduce traffic by 100%, would cost them the same as laying tracks and electronic infrastructure all over the place and instead of just being used by the TARD BUS all kinds of vehicles could use it...

>implying sumerians were east asian
Their culture was in present day Kuwait you dumb fuck!

Your culture started around the yellow river and the first "writing" occurred 1500 years ago completely independently from central Asia due to GIANT FUCKING MOUNTAINS isolating your shit race.

Know who invented writing before you? Sumerians, Balkan Europeans, Egyptians, Assyrians, Indians, Phoenicians and Minoans.

You are literally the last to come in the race, the only thing even worth mentioning is that while other languages have evolved yours has remained the same retarded "first try" at speaking, reading and writing since it first entered the monkey mind of one of your ancestors.

Truly, you fill me with hope that one day we may be able to communicate with more intelligent animals than you such as chimpanzees, gorillas and dolphins.


>Their culture was in present day Kuwait you dumb fuck!

HAHAHAHA you're fucking retarded. Iraq, not Kuwait you stupid fuck.

>Your culture started around the yellow river and the first "writing" occurred 1500 years ago completely independently from central Asia due to GIANT FUCKING MOUNTAINS isolating your shit race.

East Asians were present in Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, Northern India and even Anatolia, Iran and Iraq you dumb fuck.

Whites simply bred like cockroaches and stank East Asians out of the civilizations they built.

Subhuman low IQ white chimp with a small dick.

Very good.

Chinkfag spam, multiple threads. If we report this shit, will it be dealt with, or does it fall under "trolling"?

A Taiwanese garment factory owner was sentenced to six months in jail for forcing three Muslim women on her staff to eat pork, but she could escape prison by paying a fine, a court official said today.

Chang Wen-lin was sentenced for coercion after she confessed to pushing the three women, all from Indonesia, to eat the meat, which is considered strictly taboo in Islam, according to the Panchiao district court in Taipei county. However, in light of her confession and her decision to compensate the women, she will be allowed to pay a fine of 60,000 Taiwan dollars (USD 1,875) in exchange for a two-year suspended sentence, said a court spokesman.

Chang initially defended herself by saying she thought that eating pork would provide the women with energy, but later agreed to give each worker 150,000 Taiwan dollars.

The case stirred an outcry in Taiwan and abroad when the three women complained that Chang threatened to cut their salaries if they refused to eat the meals she provided, including pork. They also filed a complaint to the Taipei county government saying that they were overworked and had not been paid for around eight months.

There are around 350,000 foreign labourers in Taiwan, largely from Southeast Asia including the Philippines, Indonesia, and Vietnam.

>Hur durp lets stack stones on top of each other and then every 10000 years we'll have 1 good idea by mistake!

Civil Engineering and Architecture doesn't work that. Europe has hundreds of varying styles of architecture anyway, even in Vitruvius' time it was more varied than anything on earth. And yes, Vitruvius was the father of Architecture.


>* Durability - it should stand up robustly and remain in good condition.
* Utility - it should be useful and function well for the people using it.
* Beauty - it should delight people and raise their spirits.

Thanks Vitruvius, I always thought buildings should be flimsy, useless and ugly like the mud huts most whites lived in until 1800. Now I know better.

lolnope, most private dwellings in Europe were made of stone or brick.


It was my impression that most Europeans lived in huts, washed their asses with their left hands crouched over a river, etc until the 1300-1500s

Just as it was your impression that Hellenic statues were representative of normal penis sizes, or that Japs were better endowed than whites by a wide margin.

Facts present themselves and show the truth, and you are shown to be functionally retarded. C'est la vie.


I said Japs are larger. Not "by a wide margin"- the problem here is that you are so dumb you used to think you were much bigger, so that's where the cognitive dissonance comes from.

But you should have specified my good sir. You see whites are actually larger flaccid and Japs are identical erect with a 0.1 inch margin of error. You really should be more clear.


We can agree that being larger flaccid means something when whites evolved around getting their daughters pregnant.

Sorry, I'm kind of deep into this webpage right now about the The Nanjing Massacre:

I'm bored of this conversation, this is far more interesting.

Bullshit. The middle-ages had three of the most impressive forms of architecture: Romanesque, Gothic and Byzantine. Most private residences were constructed out of stone or brick, or timber, if that was more widely available in the area. This is all immaterial of course, as the living condition of your average chinese peasant was basically the same. That is, a small house and a couple of acres to till and work.

As for hygiene, see: Garderobes, Privy chambers and portable wooden rugs were used widely. Saxon books such as the Leech Book of Bald prescribed herbal baths for certain ailments and some of the more major urban centers had public baths across Europe. Not to mention the herbal dental pastes and mouthwashes that were prescribed.

And I don't even need to go into Roman baths as far as Classical and Late Antiquity go, a tradition Byzantium maintained.

There may have been urban centers for baths but they still threw their shit out of their windows at night, messy indoor conditions, and the streets were filthy with leftover dead animals and feces, etc. I say this not as a chink looking to score points, I do battle with the chinks here, but I couldn't resist sharing this video. I also post it in confidence because I know the Chinese were equally filthy around those times.

Start the video at about 7:52, or a little before then, whenever he begins to say "Up until the 1800s.."


No, they were not. Chinese people flushed out food waste into the lower reaches of rivers and the rich had some form of running water since around 0 AD.

Chinese people also bathed regularly and East Asians simply aren't as dirty a race as white people.

Well they were more animals than people anyway, it's easier to wash your butt in a river when there's no buildings and paved streets blocking your way.


White people are still more animals than people, though.

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Yes, only animals can build something like this, with their little paws.

>implying that is an average dwelling.

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This better?

That's not a dwelling, that's a city.

And a city is representative of a number of dwelling, that last picture I posted wasn't a dwelling either but a gothic church, retard.


Thanks for that vid. Bloodletting, 14 hour a day child labor, infanticide, eating with hands, 50 foot deep pits of shit. Not even I knew Europeans were so barbaric and filthy and disgusting and evil.

>washed their asses with their hands
That's actually the Muslims, and they're still doing it because wasting paper to wipe an ass is "haram".

Larger than what? Certainly not Europeans.


Yep, JapanUS.jpg

>whites larger than japs flaccid
>japs 0.1 inches "larger" erect


There's your problem, USA isn't an exclusively white country.

Where's the evidence that the majority of private dwellings were connected to this plumbing system?

So are people ignoring this thread now and posting their China bullshit in every other thread?

Ignoring this shit? Wake up. The chink trolls shit on all the other posts with their anti-white propaganda, while we only have this one sticky to expose discuss them. They can have free reign to spread lies in other posts?


Impossible /n/ is too stupid.

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Maybe one day...maybe.

I think I see some pixels.

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Morrissey, a vegetarian and animal rights advocate who last year abandoned the stage at the Coachella festival in California because of the smell of cooking meat, described the treatment of animals in China as "absolutely horrific", referring to recent news stories about animals in Chinese circuses and zoos. He told interviewer Simon Armitage: "Did you see the thing on the news about their treatment of animals and animal welfare? Absolutely horrific. You can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies."

A spokesman for Love Music Hate Racism, which received a donation of £28,000 from the singer in 2008 after his apparently anti-immigration comments made in music magazine NME convulsed the media, said it would be unable to accept support from Morrissey again if he did not rescind or dispute today's comments.

"It really is just crude racism," said Martin Smith. "When you start using language like 'subspecies', you are entering into dark and murky water. I don't think we would, or could, ask him to come back after that."

Armitage said Morrissey was typically and deliberately provocative throughout the interview. "I thought at the time it was a dangerous thing to say into a tape recorder. He must have known it would make waves, he's not daft," he said. "But he's provocative and theatrical, and it was one of dozens of dramatic pronouncements. I'm not an apologist for that kind of remark, and couldn't ignore it. But clearly, when it comes to animal rights and animal welfare, he's absolutely unshakable in his beliefs. In his view, if you treat an animal badly, you are less than human. I think that was his point."

Morrissey said in a statement tonight: "If anyone has seen the horrific and unwatchable footage of the Chinese cat and dog trade – animals skinned alive – then they could not possibly argue in favour of China as a caring nation. There are no animal protection laws in China and this results in the worst animal abuse and cruelty on the planet. It is indefensible."

His latest comments are not the first time the singer has provoked accusations of racism. Some of his song titles and lyrics have attracted criticism, including the tracks Bengali in Platforms – "He only wants to embrace your culture/And to be your friend forever/ … Oh shelve your western plans/ … life is hard enough when you belong here" – and National Front Disco.

In 1992 NME accused Morrissey of "flirting with disaster" and racist imagery after wrapping himself in the union flag while on stage in Finsbury Park, north London.

In the same year, the singer, now 51, was quoted in Q Magazine stating that he did not want to be "horrible or pessimistic" but he didn't "really think, for instance, black people and white people will ever really get on or like each other. I don't really think they ever will." [Sept 92], While iIn 1994 he told Select magazine that the far-right National Front should be given a clear voice or platform in order for them to be "less of a threat". [].

The war of words with NME continued in 2007 after Morrissey, who lived in Rome at the time, was quoted in an interview with the magazine apparently criticising levels of immigration after being asked if he would ever consider moving back to England. "With the issue of immigration, it's very difficult because, although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears," he said. "If you walk through Knightsbridge on any bland day of the week you won't hear an English accent. You'll hear every accent under the sun apart from the British accent."

At another point in the interview he stated: "England is a memory now. The gates are flooded and anybody can have access to England and join in."

Morrissey issued a writ for defamation against the magazine and its then editor Conor McNicholas, saying the publication had "deliberately tried to characterise me as a racist … in order to boost their dwindling circulation".

He vehemently denied the accusations of racism. "I abhor racism and oppression or cruelty of any kind and will not let this pass without being absolutely clear and emphatic … Racism is beyond common sense and has no place in our society," he said in a statement.

Simon Price, a music journalist who has followed Morrissey's career closely, said his die-hard fans who have idolised him for more than 25 years would be unlikely to desert him, but others would be "appalled, if not exactly surprised".

The singer appeared to have left little room for explanation in his controversial comment, he added. "What are the apologists going to say this time? It looks like in his old age Morrissey has forgotten to include the ambiguity, like he has done in the past. Maybe he just doesn't care any more."

He added: "For Morrissey's hardcore fan base, no matter what he says he can do no wrong, but this is not going to make those in the media feel favourably toward him and lots of doors will be shut to him that maybe had been ajar in the past."


This should be a wake up call for all Chinese people. We need to kill every single white man, woman and child or be killed. No more mercy.

That makes no sense, a subspecies should not rule the world, therefore if anything it's China we must destroy.

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A subhuman white thinks he has room to talk.

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A subhuman chink thinks he has the right to talk.

Why do you have a face like a pan?


Typical fenquing, no friends, no girlfriend, no life, yet he dreams of conquering whites.

No wonder Japs hate chinks so much.

>implying obesity is an epidemic in China.

If you stopped munching on your offspring for two seconds maybe you wouldn't be as fat as you are now.

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Hey chink, Japs don't like you. They regard you as a barbaric people.

All the Nanking photos are staged chink. It was American propaganda films like the 'Battle of China' that actually first propagated that bullshit.

It's interesting how the subhuman chink chimp likes to accuse others for the barbaric misconduct that appears to happen in his own race. Must be a self-denial thing.

>Historians such as Kuwabara Jitsuzo (December 7, 1870 - May 24, 1931) claim that China has had a particularly rich history of cannibalism (喫人)
>particularly rich history of cannibalism

These aren't isolated incidents. China has a rich history of cannibalism.

A huge traffic jam stretching at least 120 kilometres (75 miles) reappeared in northern China Thursday, with thousands of cargo trucks stuck in a bottleneck, state media said.
State television broadcast images of a long line of mostly cargo trucks inching slowly through Inner Mongolia on a major highway leading toward Beijing that has come to symbolise China's serious traffic problem.

"You could say the highway has become a big parking lot," a CCTV reporter at the scene said, estimating the number of vehicles stuck in the congestion at more than 10,000.

However, CCTV later said the congestion began to clear in the afternoon.

The stretch of highway linking Inner Mongolia and the northern province of Hebei with Beijing is among the nation's busiest as the capital of more than 20 million people sucks in huge shipments of goods.

Gridlock has become a feature of the route recently, with blame falling on highway maintenance projects and accidents.

Traffic slowed to a snail's pace in June and July for nearly a month, according to earlier press reports. In August, state media said some drivers were stuck in a huge traffic jam on the route for nine days.

The traffic subsequently cleared but has worsened again due to accidents and traffic restrictions imposed by authorities, CCTV said.

China has embarked in recent years on a huge expansion of its national road system but the volume traffic periodically overwhelms the grid.

According to government data, Beijing is on track to have five million cars on its roads by year's end. The four-million mark was passed in December.


It's amusing how subhuman white chimpdicks think their race isn't a race of subhuman chimpdicks with low IQs

Higher than the Tibetans and Mongolians you adore, and who in turn want their independence.

It doesn't matter though, the lowest fertility rate in the world means that the rightful inhabitants of China; the Uighurs (who you butchered in atomic bomb tests), the Tibetans and the Mongolians will soon once again be the rightful owners of their lands.


Nope, your IQ is not higher than Mongol IQ even though they are malnourished. Nor are your IQs higher than Tibetans, as the white IQ is 92-100.

>the lowest fertility rate in the world means that the rightful inhabitants of China; the Uighurs

At the beginning of the Han Dynasty (206 BC – AD 220), the region was subservient to the Xiongnu, a powerful nomadic people based in modern Mongolia. In the 2nd century BC, Han China sent Zhang Qian as an envoy to the states in the region, beginning several decades of struggle between the Xiongnu and Han China over dominance of the region, eventually ending in Chinese success. In 60 BC Han China established the Protectorate of the Western Regions (西域都護府) at Wulei (烏壘; near modern Luntai) to oversee the entire region as far west as the Pamir.

By 745 the Uyghur Empire stretched from the Caspian Sea to Manchuria and lasted from 745 to 840.

You've just gone full-blown retarded.

National white IQ averages range from 90 (Croatia) to about 103 (Austria).

IQ averages in East Asia range from 100 (Mainland China) to 107 (Hong Kong).

It would be interesting to do a weighted average to find out what the gap is. I'm guessing about 5 points.

The Chinese as a whole, including minorities, have a higher IQ than 100 according to more recent studies.

>Ten studies of the Chinese summarized in Lynn & Vanhanen (2006) give them an average IQ of 105, relative to a British IQ of 100.

While you're right that some white nations have an average IQ lower than that of the Mongols, Tibetans, and presumably Uyghurs, it is not the case that Tibetans have a higher average IQ than the most developed Western nations.

>The mean of the Tibetans in this study is 12.6 IQ lower than that of the Han Chinese, giving them an IQ of 92.4.

Since the most developed Western nations have an average IQ of around 100, it's plainly clear that Tibetans have an average IQ lower than these nations.

Very good.

It doesn't matter, they have a birth rate in excess of 3.5. Your population by comparison is shrinking. Chinks have the lowest fertility rate in the world.


China is 105 now according to Lynn, he released a new book. Still arbitrary; China is probably closer to 108 even while its a developing country.


You're retarded if you don't think having no access to iodized salt doesn't impact IQs. The Tibetans and Northern Han are essentially the same people. If you add the 14-15 points Tibetans are missing from iodine deficiency and other malnutrition related issues, their IQ towers over that of subhuman whites.

>Iodine deficiency
>14-15 points

Yeah... no. Iodine deficiencies don't account for that level of difference in IQ. Try again chink.


Yeah, they do, especially using the exact same tests Chinese researchers used in Tibet. Try again subhuman chimp.

Considering the test more or less was an attempt to gauge iodine deficiency, chimp.


>>Iodine deficiency is one of the leading cause of preventable mental retardation worldwide, producing typical reductions in IQ of 10 to 15 IQ points. It has been speculated that deficiency of iodine and other micronutrients may be a possible factor in observed differences in IQ between ethnic groups: see race and intelligence for a further discussion of this controversial issue.

lol subhuman retarded chimp. lie more if you think it will make your tiny chimpdick grow.

subhuman no-facts chimp.

>It has been speculated that deficiency of iodine and other micronutrients may be a possible factor in observed differences in IQ between ethnic groups

*sigh* I've heard of this argument before chink, it's the same one the political left uses to explain away IQ differences. The transracial adoption study of Vietnamese children in German homes showed that malnutrition and malnourishment actually has a far smaller effect than the above mentioned left-liberals like to claim it does.

So it's up to you to prove that, firstly, the vast majority of the Tibetan population suffer from a highly significant iodine deficiency and that secondly that iodine deficiency (divorced from malnutrition) by itself can cause a 10-15 point gap.

It also must be mentioned that you have the lowest fertility rate in the world and that China belongs to the Uighurs, who, with their ever increasing population, will eventually subjugate the Han Chinese, just like the Manchus and Mongols did before, that is if Han Chinese still exist at that point in time.

Japan is superior to China, as China has no cultural continuity.

Japan dislikes China. Korea dislikes China.


That WAS the jist of the original Chinese study, sausage muncher.

>In particular, Tibet continues to suffer from serious iodine deficiency. Goitre rates have been as high as 50%, cretin rates in some villages up to 13% and the average IQ of children being only 85 (7). In 1999 with support from WHO, AusAID, and UNICEF, we undertook a feasibility study for the development of a whole of Tibet IDD elimination program.

Retarded chimpdick. Just googling "iodine deficiency Tibet" gives a whole wealth of resources, retard.

>It also must be mentioned that you have the lowest fertility rate in the world and that China belongs to the Uighurs, who, with their ever increasing population, will eventually subjugate the Han Chinese, just like the Manchus and Mongols did before, that is if Han Chinese still exist at that point in time.

Then they will merge with Eurabia, and continue to gang rape white women in their kennels and pigpens all day and all night. Oh wait, that's today.

Guess what faggot, the One Child policy isn't long for this world- and the Uighur will meet their punishment just as the Jie and Turks and Persians of China did. They were totally ethnically cleansed for their subhuman behavior- all enemies of China will die in the end. That's a third fact of life. Meanwhile subhuman whites are an eternal slave race.

>Japan is superior to China, as China has no cultural continuity.

China has cultural and racial continuity since 8,500 BC and earlier. Whites have cultural continuity si- wait, whites don't even have a culture. My bad.

>Japan dislikes China. Korea dislikes China.

Japanese elites are okay with China. Korean elites are okay with China. Japanese elites utterly despise whites.

To them, whites are subhumans, niggerlike chimps.

>Then they will merge with Eurabia, and continue to gang rape white women in their kennels and pigpens all day and all night.

Arabs and North Africans aren't going to be polluting Europe for much longer, immigration controls are becoming stricter and stricter and most solidly white countries like Switzerland, Austria, Denmark and elsewhere have made it clear that they're not going to radically change the demographics or culture of their homelands for black and brown subhumans.

And every day far right parties go from strength to strength. Britain however is fucked, but nobody cares about Britain.

>Guess what faggot, the One Child policy isn't long for this world

It will remain in place until at least 2015, the CCP has stated so. Even if it is rescinded, the Han birth rate won't change a fucking bit, look at the birth rates for Han where there is no one child policy, like Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong, among the lowest in the world. Your stupid subhuman Government has shot itself in the foot, the only possible way they can overturn the demographic tide is to impose the one child policy on China's "official minorities", but that won't happen, because if they did, they'd be an outright revolt.

>China has cultural and racial continuity since 8,500 BC and earlier.

You believe that? Wow.

The Cultural Revolution decimated traditional culture in China, whatever survives today is just cheap shit the CCP puts on show for the tourists. You were fooled by a German Jew and you ended up wiping out your own culture in the process. Good one chink. Not even the Russians went that far.

What traditional Chinese culture remains is in Taiwan, and they're slowly dying out anyway with a birth rate of 1.00 (as they should, Taiwan belongs to the natives)

>Japanese elites are okay with China.
>Korean elites are okay with China.

What do you mean by 'elites'? And what do you mean by 'Okay'?

Yeah, they're not bombing the shit out of you back when you tried to pull that shit on them on the Marco Polo bridge (thousands of subhuman chinks against a few Japanese, and they still kicked your ass), but that doesn't mean they don't hate your guts. The founder of Honda was notorious for example for his hatred of chinks.

How about your criminal scumbag human traffickers, drug dealers and other assorted filth stop infecting Japan? Ask an average Japanese person who has more problem with, Whites or Chinese in Japan, and he'll tell you the answer, maybe that will sober you up.

And stop telling lies about the Fake of Nanking too, subhuman chink panface.


You forgot Russia, they have what basically amounts to a nationalist Government already in place and non-white invaders are beaten up on the streets of Saint Petersburg and Moscow.

Wrong, the only Japanese that like Chinks are ironically their variant of leftists. Journalists, 'artists' and people like that. The very same people who want to open up Japan to further third world immigration.

You know absolutely fuck all about Japan ISN. The "elites" are conservative and dislike China.


I find the whole 'Japanese like chinese and hate whites' thing kind of funny to be honest, it's just the wishful thinking of somebody who doesn't understand the Japanese psyche or Japanese politics.

Any group that tries to use 65+ year old atrocity (that didn't even happen) stories for purposes of emotional and political blackmail does not earn respect.


>People's Republic of China - 1,339,280,000
>India - 1,187,170,000

How the hell did they get so big?


>Arabs and North Africans aren't going to be polluting Europe for much longer, immigration controls are becoming stricter and stricter and most solidly white countries like Switzerland, Austria, Denmark and elsewhere have made it clear that they're not going to radically change the demographics or culture of their homelands for black and brown subhumans.

In your dreams limp chimp dick. They will continue to illegally flood Europe, with the help of powerful and rich Arabs with oil money. They will also breed, and cuckold you. Your wives will have brown babies. That and your urban "culture" will be totally annihilated.

>It will remain in place until at least 2015, the CCP has stated so.

The CCP can change its mind any time it pleases- it's not like subhuman white nations where they take 20 years to do anything, chimpdick :)

>like Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong, among the lowest in the world.

WOW do you know why, stupid? Because these are the most crowded places in the world, you dumb ignorant white cunt. Taiwan has 23 million people crammed into a narrow strip on the eastern coast of the island.

>but that won't happen, because if they did, they'd be an outright revolt.

Yeah "outright revolt" rofl, in your dreams chimp dick. If they had an outright revolt it would be an excellent pretext for a wholesale extermination of non-East Asians. We are excellently equipped for a proper cleansing of racial garbage- the only thing we lack is a political reason.

>The Cultural Revolution decimated traditional culture in China

And the femnigger revolution has devastated European culture, oh wait there never was a European culture to begin with. Never mind.

>What do you mean by 'elites'? And what do you mean by 'Okay'?

Businessmen, professors, teachers, women, the young, basically everyone but retarded peasants, old people and Roppongi whores.

How about your criminal scumbag human traffickers, drug dealers and other assorted filth stop infecting Japan? Ask an average Japanese person who has more problem with, Whites or Chinese in Japan, and he'll tell you the answer, maybe that will sober you up.

I spoke to a far-right Japanese nationalist. He wants to exterminate all whites and their black cousins in Japan.


Wrong chimp. The conservative elites only use populists for political reasons. You're a subhuman that can't understand East Asian society or politics. The businessmen are silently pro-China, and most educated Japanese realize whites are idiots with very, very small dicks.


No one said that, chimp. I said "ok with" as in they favor pragmatic regional ties, while wishing for the "cancer" (their words, not mine) of America to quickly die.

>How the hell did they get so big?

India's case- 6-7 children per woman. China's case, not exterminating subhuman invaders like the Uighur.

>In your dreams limp chimp dick.

Except they're not 'dreams'. They're evidenced in increasingly tougher legislation and election results. Denmark is more homogenous than China is, as is Austria, as is Switzerland, as is Norway, as is Italy.

In fact, Khadaffi is going to take care of the shitskins who turn up on Italy's borders as per the recent trade agreement, they should find Libyan prisons to their liking.

>WOW do you know why, stupid? Because these are the most crowded places in the world, you dumb ignorant white cunt.

So Iceland has the highest birth rate in the world? Oh wait, it doesn't. 'Crowdedness' has nothing to do with the birth rate.

>If they had an outright revolt it would be an excellent pretext for a wholesale extermination of non-East Asians.

>If they had an outright revolt it would be an excellent pretext for a wholesale extermination of non-East Asians.
>In your dreams
>Wholesale extermination of non-East Asians

Funniest thing I've read all day monkey.

You'd become a pariah nation. Virtually no one would trade with you, the entire Arab world would embargo you and you'd have no oil to drive growth.

>And the femnigger revolution has devastated European culture

Not really. They're subhuman, but they're not burning down opera houses, setting fire to Caravaggios and executing classical musicians.

>Businessmen, professors, teachers, women, the young, basically everyone but retarded peasants, old people and Roppongi whores.



69% of Japanese have an unfavorable view of China. It's not just 'old people' and 'peasants'. Most of the uyoku dantai are staffed and led by young members.

>I spoke to a far-right Japanese nationalist.

Yeah, yeah. Just like you 'spoke' to a Mongolian who randomly told you he 'hated caucasians'.

Japanese don't like you. Why is this so hard to accept?


>Except they're not 'dreams'. They're evidenced in increasingly tougher legislation and election results. Denmark is more homogenous than China is, as is Austria, as is Switzerland, as is Norway, as is Italy.

All of these nations are tiny except Italy, which has tons of illegals.

>Non-European immigrant groups (Middle Eastern, African, Asian etc.) account for about 3% to 4% of the European population or 22 to 30 million people.

>So Iceland has the highest birth rate in the world? Oh wait, it doesn't. 'Crowdedness' has nothing to do with the birth rate.

Do you realize that almost all of Iceland is essentially uninhabitable? Wow I guess it won't matter if Tibet has a birthrate of 100 babies per woman, because we can just move them into that black hole of life called Central Tibet where freezing wind and rock are the only sustenance for the 0 creatures that live there.

>You'd become a pariah nation. Virtually no one would trade with you, the entire Arab world would embargo you and you'd have no oil to drive growth.

Orly subhuman chimp? What if the Tibetans and Hui did the killing of Uighur like they have in the past? Wouldn't that be a bind for you subhumans?

Newsflash Arabs favor the Hui over a bunch of Turks they've never heard of.

>Not really. They're subhuman, but they're not burning down opera houses, setting fire to Caravaggios and executing classical musicians.

Why would they when no one but a tiny minority actually listen to opera? You have Afro rap replacing your nonexistent chimp culture.

>69% of Japanese have an unfavorable view of China. It's not just 'old people' and 'peasants'. Most of the uyoku dantai are staffed and led by young members.

Mostly old people, peasants. Throw in retards and Roppongi whores and that's about 69% of the polling population. The same young Uyoku are the ones that hate foreigners more than anything- nice try.

>Yeah, yeah. Just like you 'spoke' to a Mongolian who randomly told you he 'hated caucasians'.

I did. Well he's a Tuvan, Tuvans are still Mongols. It's not hard to understand why they hate white vermin- after all you are a repulsive, subhuman, worthless race of slaves and degenerates smeared over our world like a bucket of dog feces.

>Japanese don't like you. Why is this so hard to accept?

I could give two shits if they "like us". They want pragmatic relations, that's fine enough. The truth of the matter is that teachers, businessmen, women, younger people, educated Japanese, Japanese who have visited China/know Chinese people, have far more positive views of China than the average Japanese.

The opposite is true for pro-American sentiment- old people, peasants, Roppongi whores, Debito clones, and other worthless rabble love Americunts. Okinawans who have the most contact with white people and their cousins the African Negro, are precisely the ones who hate these people the most.

HMM I wonder why?

>All of these nations are tiny except Italy, which has tons of illegals.

Not that many, especially in the North.

And they will be forced out:

>Do you realize that almost all of Iceland is essentially uninhabitable?

Do you realize that even in spite of this, Iceland has a carrying capacity for a population several times its current population?

If your logic were correct, Bangladesh would have a falling birth rate. It's one of the most densely populated countries on earth.


Old, unfunny meme chink. Stop recycling it, I know you only heard about our superior imageboard culture a few months ago, but stop mimicking everything we do like a chimp.

>What if the Tibetans and Hui did the killing of Uighur like they have in the past? Wouldn't that be a bind for you subhumans?

And the CCP would just stand by and let it happen? What would precipitate this situation in the first place? Pretty fantasy-land hypotheticals you're dreaming up here that have no basis in reality.

>I did. Well he's a Tuvan, Tuvans are still Mongols.

Yep. You just ran into a 'Tuvan' randomly in chinktown:

Tuvan: I hate Caucasians
ISN: Cool, so do I
Tuvan: Want to see my three inch penis?
ISN: Holy shit, that's huge! Mine's even bigger though, it's four inches, its because my mother was raped by a Hmong and gave birth to me
Tuvan: Ok, I have to go and rape a herd of goats now. Bye.

> The same young Uyoku are the ones that hate foreigners more than anything- nice try.

What Uyoku Dantai group are you talking about? None of them have explicitly anti-American or anti-White platforms. Try again.

>Why would they when no one but a tiny minority actually listen to opera? You have Afro rap replacing your nonexistent chimp culture.

Wrong. Most people in the west listen to shitty pop or shitty rock, not shitty rap. Just like chinks listen to even shittier cantopop. Or do you think the majority of chinks all attend the latest Beijing Opera recitals? Oh wait, the CCP butchered most of the performers and musicians of Beijing Opera anyway during the Cultural Revolution.

>I could give two shits if they "like us". They want pragmatic relations, that's fine enough.

This is a far cry from your usual claims that Japanese constitute part of a pan-asian alliance. It just means they favor a cautious trade based policy, which is what every other nation on earth does.

>The truth of the matter is that teachers, businessmen, women, younger people, educated Japanese, Japanese who have visited China/know Chinese people, have far more positive views of China than the average Japanese.

Wishful thinking. Maybe if you stopped trying to emotionally blackmail them for something that never happened they would like you, but until then they'll remain distrustful.

>Debito clones

Debito loves chinks you idiot. He's always defending the chink community from 'nationalists' (i.e. people who don't want to be lied and slandered about by chinks).

>And they will be forced out:

Yeah, because attacking migrants gets rid of them. Subhuman chimp, if China had illegal white vermin we'd slaughter you all. Oh wait, we already did not once, not twice, but three times in history. Get over yourselves, chimp dicks. 20% of you have Arab or black ancestors anyway.

>If your logic were correct, Bangladesh would have a falling birth rate. It's one of the most densely populated countries on earth.

Stop pretending you aren't an idiot, dumbfuck. Guess what? Bangladesh is warm and fertile, Iceland is NOT, dipshit. HURR DURR I guess Icelanders will just eat volcanic ash and mushrooms. Retard.

>I know you only heard about our superior imageboard culture a few months ago

Are you implying 4chan isn't just whites aping 2chan? Ironic stormfagtard is ironic.

>And the CCP would just stand by and let it happen? What would precipitate this situation in the first place? Pretty fantasy-land hypotheticals you're dreaming up here that have no basis in reality.

Would they? Any other government in the world would do it, like India during the Gujarat Slaughter, or Americunts during the 1992 LA Riots. No basis in reality? Get your head checked dickbreath. Ever wonder why Islam never made it past Tibet? Because the Tibetans slaughtered them like dogs. Tibetans hate Muslims- Hollyweird didn't tell that to you now did they?

>Yep. You just ran into a 'Tuvan' randomly in chinktown:

Actually I ran into him in chimptown, they were selling maggot turd cheese and rotten shark, staples of the white diet.

No retard, some of them have internet access.

>What Uyoku Dantai group are you talking about? None of them have explicitly anti-American or anti-White platforms. Try again.

If by "none" you mean all of them. They all hate you- get over it, Japan doesn't like you subhuman chimps. They know you're filthy, low IQ garbage. Your a 2 inch dicked, freckled lanky white nerd virgin that lounges around on his chair and pretends he isn't an unemployed, uneducated faggot.

>Wrong. Most people in the west listen to shitty pop or shitty rock, not shitty rap

Uh yeah they listen to shitty rap, unless you don't count the entire Anglosphere as Western, dickbreath.

>Just like chinks listen to even shittier cantopop

Not that 95% of China even understand cantopop, chimpdick.

>Oh wait, the CCP butchered most of the performers and musicians of Beijing Opera anyway during the Cultural Revolution.

Except they didn't, retard.

>This is a far cry from your usual claims that Japanese constitute part of a pan-asian alliance

No one has ever said that, chimpdick.

>Wishful thinking. Maybe if you stopped trying to emotionally blackmail them for something that never happened they would like you, but until then they'll remain distrustful.

Maybe if you stopped sucking cocks and talking out of your ass, you wouldn't be a cock gobbling retard/liar. Genron NPO publishes intellectual vs. lay opinions on China- go read their report.

And I like how you totally ignored the way I completely raped you on the iodine deficiency point.

You must be a white woman, since you love getting raped by non-white dicks.

Excuse me retard, not to intervene but you keep claiming Japs think whites have small dicks, when by your own chart whites are larger flaccid, and Japs are 0.1 inches bigger erect. I hate to write this, because I value your turd opinions very highly, but you come off as wildly delusional.


We already agreed that you value flaccid dick size because not only are you a cockgobbling dickbreath, your daughters can't take a real man so they need your limp 3 inch cock.

If white men didn't have the dicks of cockroaches like most human beings their children would never make it past age 2.


Do you have any actual data that Chinese dick sizes are greater than Whites?


Do you have any sources to prove you aren't a cock gobbler?

Chinese people are generally bigger than Japanese. That's about it.

We agreed to nothing, you crazed baboon. The fact is Japs are virtually identical to whites when erect, and seem to have a tiny baby penis when flaccid with whites a bit larger. Now what's really golden is that Japs and Whites are much larger than your chink stretch of brown skin you tug with your fingertips to will yourself to orgasm, you lonely dirty piece of asian shit.


Nah we agreed that your tiny, tiny ant dicks evolved into place because your mating rituals involve gang-raping little girls who would die if real men did it.

That's why you have tiny shriveled cocks that are never up, and are useless. The Japanese are bigger than you. Let that sink in for a while.

And the Chinese are bigger than Japanese.

>Yeah, because attacking migrants gets rid of them.

It does. And it sends a clear message to the rest too.

>Iceland is NOT

Except we've already been through this, Iceland could quite easily support a population twice its size.

>Would they? Any other government in the world would do it, like India during the Gujarat Slaughter, or Americunts during the 1992 LA Riots.

The world has changed since the Gujarat slaughter, and the LA riots are not comparable in the slightest.

>Actually I ran into him in chimptown, they were selling maggot turd cheese and rotten shark, staples of the white diet.

Was this before or after you finished your dinner of human flesh and ants?

>If by "none" you mean all of them.

I'm asking you for names of uyoku dantai with explicitly anti-white platforms. Provide them or shut up.

>Your a 2 inch dicked, freckled lanky white nerd virgin that lounges around on his chair and pretends he isn't an unemployed, uneducated faggot.

Wrong on all but the lanky count. Chinks in Western countries and their fenqing compatriots back home are the most sexually frustrated, small penis possessing virgins around. That's what fuels most of their hate in the first place.

>Uh yeah they listen to shitty rap, unless you don't count the entire Anglosphere as Western, dickbreath.


>Not that 95% of China even understand cantopop, chimpdick.

Chinks still listen to shitty pop in huge numbers, whatever way you want to spin it.

For the record, Japan has a huge hip-hop scene, so its not like East Asians are impervious to shitty music.

>Except they didn't, retard.

Except they did, retard. Beijing Opera was banned and replaced with revolutionary opera.

>Genron NPO publishes intellectual vs. lay opinions on China- go read their report.

Provide the data then, chink.

>And the Chinese are bigger than Japanese.

Then provide proof.

lol, no. Your ancestors have a proud tradition of cannibalism and the height of subhuman deviance. You seem to obsess over sexual abuse from children and like most other disgusting things, project it onto other cultures when it's your own that practices it. By your own chart we saw that your penis propaganda isn't factually accurate and you can continue to blindly state non-facts, but you back it up with nothing. Let us hope one of your kindergarten killing beasts goes off on a rampage and you get caught in the crossfire, so that the lies will finally end on /n/.


>lol, no. Your ancestors have a proud tradition of cannibalism and the height of subhuman deviance.

I'm not white.

>project it onto other cultures when it's your own that practices it.

Nope, whites commit all crimes more than Chinese and child molestation as well as sex crimes in general are practically non-existent, and definitely committed at the lowest rate, in all Chinese polities. Subhuman.

>By your own chart we saw that your penis propaganda isn't factually accurate

Are all whites retards that just run their mouths without thinking? No, you're wrong, shut the fuck up.


>It does. And it sends a clear message to the rest too.

No, it doesn't. It wins them sympathy- Americunts have been attacking immigrants for years. Didn't do shit.

>Except we've already been through this, Iceland could quite easily support a population twice its size.

Oh wow, a whole 600,000 people vs. 160 million Bangladeshis!

>The world has changed since the Gujarat slaughter, and the LA riots are not comparable in the slightest.

Oh okay, we'll just deport them all to Central Asia. Gujarat was 8 fucking years ago, I guess you were an Obama voter? Change!

>I'm asking you for names of uyoku dantai with explicitly anti-white platforms. Provide them or shut up.

Back up your claims on iodine deficiency first. Provide it or shut up.

>Wrong on all but the lanky count.

lol subhuman

>Chinks in Western countries and their fenqing compatriots back home are the most sexually frustrated, small penis possessing virgins around.

Nope, out of all men they're the least likely to be unmarried. Whites are small dick angry chimps. Fenqing is a mythological bogeyman invented by poor scared little faggots like you.


-Rhythm and blues
-Hip hop

hahahahaha lol

>Chinks still listen to shitty pop in huge numbers, whatever way you want to spin it.

Provide source or shut up.

>Except they did, retard. Beijing Opera was banned and replaced with revolutionary opera.

You claimed they were all executed. Provide source or shut up, retard.

>Provide the data then, chink.

Use google, chimpdick.

>I'm not white.


>Rich history of cannibalism

>Nope, out of all men they're the least likely to be unmarried.

This doesn't prove anything. Muslims are also very unlikely to be unmarried, doesn't mean they're not sexually frustrated and fucked up.


>Rich history of cannibalism

Talking about white chimpdicks? Because we know whites are the epitome of savagery, ugliness, barbarity and subhuman stupidity.


Source that Chinese people are sexually frustrated? Source or shut the fuck up. You think married men have worse sex lives than singles? lol @ you, dumbshit.


This is so true:

An entire site devoted to asian american male butthurt about how women don't want to date them.

>Talking about white chimpdicks?

No, I believe the Japanese Historian was talking about chinks.

>The Chinese also believed medicinal benefits could be obtained from eating human flesh, and the benefits are described in their 16th century medicinal book Bencao Ganmu.


>Source that Chinese people are sexually frustrated?

I said Chinese Americans, not all Chinese, chink.

As for the source on that, just go to any college campus, or observe the scores of butthurt 'cultural studies' chinks who whine on endlessly about how they're viewed as feminine and can't get dates because of the media.


They are feminine though, just look how passive aggressive ISN is. Passive aggressive behavior is a hallmark of femininity.

As well as being self-delusional. But that trait is more akin probably to the petty nature and lack of humanity as a subhuman chink chump.


>The white subhuman nigger also believed medicinal benefits could be obtained from eating human flesh

lol white people

>As for the source on that, just go to any college campus, or observe the scores of butthurt 'cultural studies' chinks who whine on endlessly about how they're viewed as feminine and can't get dates because of the media.

Not as many as all the butthurt whites who whine endlessly about "reverse racism" and how all their women left them for black dicks.

>They are feminine though, just look how passive aggressive ISN is. Passive aggressive behavior is a hallmark of femininity.

do you even know what passive-aggressive means, you dumb nigger? hint: you

He's mentioned being bullied by whites when he was at school in the past. It's probably something best left for the therapists to be honest.


>and their fenqing compatriots back home

Look at what you typed yourself, you dumb faggot. Take that dick out of your mouth and source your retard claims.

>how all their women left them for black dicks.

We don't though, I'm cool with niggers taking our fat chicks. None of us want them.


No? Make up less shit.

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cool story bro

That site is real? It's actually depressing that chinks have the time to make something like that. Of course, it's not the chinks fault that they can't get girls, it's the fault of the women, the media and the government! Why, if it weren't for those three things every woman on earth would be throwing herself at pencil dicked, pan faced, greasy chinks.

Right after you source the claim that Chinese have bigger dicks than Japanese.


And the reason why you aren't a winner is because of the Jew conspiracy! The reason why no one wants a lanky, hook-nosed, freckled, pasty ass macaroni dick like whites is because of the Jew media! The reason you have tons of immigrants ethnically cleansing your subhuman race is the Zionist conspiracy!

>Right after you source the claim that Chinese have bigger dicks than Japanese.

Why wouldn't they? They're bigger period. Height within race correlates, chimp.

Exceptions don't invalidate the general trend. Such as the trend of Chinese Canadian women fucking outside of their own race:

>The more favorable views on interracial dating among Chinese Canadian females relative to Chinese Canadian males are also consistent with findings that Asian American females marry outside of their “racial” group at higher rates than do Asian American males (Fujino, 2000). Mok (1999) suggested that greater tolerance to interracial dating among daughters of Chinese immigrants may be due to faster acculturation of this group compared to their male counterparts.

>Why wouldn't they? They're bigger period.

Just provide proof or stop making the claim chink. Scandinavians are taller than you are, do they also have bigger dicks?


>Height within race correlates, chimp.
>within race



>Exceptions don't invalidate the general trend. Such as the trend of Chinese Canadian women fucking outside of their own race:

You get the dregs of the dregs of China as immigrants, the best of these dregs migrate back, then the dregs of these dregs of the dregs marry your white sons.

No loss.

Wow, you really lost the dick debate, it's pathetic how desperate you are at this point.

lol, just provide just a single dataset showing chinks have bigger dicks than japanese or whites for that matter.

What's that? You don't even have a single one? Out of the dozens of penis size studies you can't show me a single one where chinks are larger than whites or japanese?



You conceded Japanese are larger and you think I lost? Because you desperately cling to some glimmer of hope that Chinese people might not be larger than Japanese despite being taller and also being East Asian?

lol what a joke.


out of "dozens" of studies? none of which included China?

hahaha your dicks are smaller than Japanese. 5.08 inches... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

They are larger by 0.1 inches from your own chart you stupid piece of shit. Do you know how small 0.1 inches, I feel like I'm speaking to someone clinically retarded. 0.1 inches when erect difference.


I thought you were BIG IN JAPAN? Woops, didn't think so... chimp dick fucktard.

You sad crooked little subhuman, you have stripped yourself bare and exposed your blank "facts".

>White women prefer white men to the exclusion of everyone else—and Asian and Hispanic women prefer them even more exclusively.




Southeast Asian whores, and the dregs of the dregs of China. Proper Chinese women don't need dating sites, they already have a Chinese boyfriend by high school and marry them after college usually.

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ching chong

>China 4.3 inches


>Proper Chinese women




herp derp you can cite a fake study from 1953 in one city

HAHAHA subhuman whitenigger, you have smaller dicks than Chinese and Japanese.

Keep dreaming, dogbreath.

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Probably talking about flaccid size if it were real, which it is not :)

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Nah studies says erect, and it's 5.1, still off, but at least they got China right. What's it like being smaller than Koreans? I'll understand if you kill yourself.

>Hu Jintao inspects the troops.jpg

I lol'ed.


China 4.3 inches

No wonder there's all those chink girls with black guys in san fran these days.


Nah study is fake, old, and only on one city in China- probably measuring white dicks, as it was a white guy doing the study :)

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Nah they're too busy with the white wimmin

Huh? Where does it say 4.3 inches? It has to be a Chink doing the study so it would be biased and favorable or something? Is that how your little chimp brain ticks? This study is more clear than the chart you posted that doesn't even say where it was done in each country or how diverse it was. Just look down and you'll see it to be accurate, noodledick.

>desperately clutching at straws

God the butthurt here is so fucking delicious, I'm actually laughing in real life.


Chinks suddenly grew 2 inches out of nowhere?

Maybe the rape of nanking had something to do with it, oh wait, that never happened.


Butthurt because the study isn't even real, and returns 0 results even on google except random white retards using circular references?

And what exactly is some random white guy doing measuring penises in Shanghai when all foreigners were expelled from Shanghai after the Communist takeover?

lol whites grasping at straws.

Oh here I found a source:

Mwabababongo et. al, All white penises- 1.3 inches erect

>LOL whites 1.3 inches
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are you retarded? One SD is about .8 inches, and they have grown 1-2 SD in height since.

It's a bit old, chinkbeast, not all older studies are readily available in pdf for your lifeless dull eyes to scan. At least we found something with some data, unlike what you present for proof of China's glorious noodledicks (nothing).

And so what if we have smaller penises? What's wrong with that exactly? We're still more intelligent.

I don't give a shit about penis size anyway, I'm not even straight.

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>Many Chinese couples engage in little to no foreplay before initiating intercourse. Many wives report some discomfort during intercourse as a result of insufficient vaginal lubrication

Chinks = Shit lovers. Can't please their own women.

There, there ISN. You're the one who always brings up penises, now of course you go into consolations.


No, we whites are not more intelligent. They are stupider and have smaller dicks :(


If East Asians are so morally superior, why is Japan the leading producer of child porn and possesses the biggest porn industry in the world?

If China didn't have laws against porn, you can bet chink whores would put japanese whores to shame in the shit they'd be willing to do. Japanese are just more honest about it than chinks.


>implying it's due to lack of lubrication, and not the fact that Chinese men actually have penises unlike white people who are always flaccid and tiny

>Displays a complete lack of understanding of how sex, sexual arousal and sexual gratification works
>Has never had sex with a girl
>Has never seen a girl naked
>Has never touched a girl


Nope, perversion is more or less non-existent in China. They are the least criminal, least perverse, most pro-social people on the planet.

If Japan tops in child porn, it's because of the whites living there :) Subhuman chimp.

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>has a tiny cock
>never been with a non-relative female
>experience mostly with farm animals

>Nope, perversion is more or less non-existent in China. They are the least criminal, least perverse, most pro-social people on the planet.

>I state it so it must be true! Just like Europe has no culture!

Sorry retard, but anything you say that is unsourced is as good as dogshit or your mother's face.

>it's because of the whites living there

Yes, all 0.3% of the population of them.

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I have a source, it's Kawashita Pikachu, 1953, White Paedophilia Report

I mean you can't find anything about it anywhere but I swear it's true

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>Can only copy my superior wit
>Is mad
>Is fuming behind his monitor
>Impotent rage


>implying you can compare to the person who invented trolling

I have proof too, the Smith Report, Boston, 1953

About this time this little chinkshit was put in his place.

I'm really enjoying it, I haven't had this much fun in a while.


In your dreams subhuman smaller-than-Japanese macaroni dick. Just because you can find 3-4 other subhumans to flood the thread with unsourced garbage doesn't mean you aren't a retard.

I know your mother is a cock sucking whore too. I have a source: The James Report, 1953, Los Angeles

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>She sees ISN's noodledick

Asians genetically more violent than Whites:

>Henry Harpending, the famous researcher who has studied recent human evolution and who co-wrote a new book with Gregory Cochran, pointed to the Sabol et al study, which determined that two-thirds of white people have the 4-repeat allele that is not associated with violent behavior and that 60% of African-Americans and Asian-Americans have the more violence-associated 3-repeat allele.

>60% of African-Americans and Asian-Americans

I always knew blacks and chinks were long lost brothers.


>implying Southeast Asians and East Asians are the same race

Whites aren't violent on their own- true. They are docile, retarded, dull-eyed slave people. They would make good servants if regularly given deep fried fatty rewards.

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>That study did not look at genetics, but it did reveal that its 1,575 subjects were 67% white and 31% black, leaving just 2% for other groups.

lol, read your source you stupid whitenigger. The 31% blacks and 2% "other" were COMBINED and this combined group had a higher prevalence than whites. You are beyond stupid and subhuman.

>Japan the leading producer of child porn

I thought that was Russia? And whenever child porn is spammed on 4chan, it always seems like it's all white children.

Oh no, Japs are bigger than me by 0.1inches when erect, while both are races have skyscraper cocks compared to your mudhuman East Asian cesspool. You bring no studies to the table yet expect us to take you on your word, when you've already confirmed yourself as a retard with your empty generalizations about Europe.

The only thing you're superior is spouting unsourced garbage and I bet your mother is depressed and disgraced by your turd way of life, I can only imagine what a miserable life form you are in real life by your ape antics on this board.

Yet more insight into why ISN is what he is.

That's the Widom and Brzustowicz study chink, not Sabol's.


Europe doesn't have a culture. You're a continent of greasy subhuman animal turds.

I'll admit whites have this weak, retarded pussy vibe. It may be that East Asians can possibly be more violent- but they don't act on it, because of high intelligence and thus empathy.

Whites are like grunting orangutans with no concept of morality or kindness and no culture or civilization. You are destined to be ruled by others.

And Japanese aren't East Asian? You dumb nigger, they're as far "East" as you can get, genetically.

Go to your local public library and look up all of Western literature, art, architecture, medicine, so on and so forth. When you die, you will have no legacy and all your idiotic generalizations with rot away into void, while all these other things continue on.

I'm sorry, I meant East ChinaChinkShitheads

>weak, retarded pussy vibe.


Raging buttmad. Don't break a nail.


It's just a simple fact, I'm not mad. Your existence, is meaningless in the scope of cultural legacy. And the proof is all around you even if you try to shoo it away with your limp wrist.

>And Japanese aren't East Asian?








>Your existence, is meaningless in the scope of cultural legacy

Whatever you want to believe, chimpdick, whatever you want to believe.

As long as China will be the leading power for the next 10,000 years, as she was for 9,500 of the last 10,000, that's fine with me.

>as she was for 9,500
>Implying the concept of a global power existed until two centuries ago

And I'm fine with that, hell besides shits like you I really don't have animosity that much towards China. I still want to read a great deal of Chinese writers and explore the music, I just despise deviant fags like you who try to pretend Europe or some races you think are inferior as having no cultural impact when it's just untrue and a retarded opinion to spread ignorance. Anyways, I'm going off for a run, I wish I could say it was fun but you really are a shit.


Don't steal my words chink.


>Implying the concept of a global power existed until two centuries ago

Leading, not global. Dyslexia?


Haha another victory for me!


Shut the fuck up chimpdick. I coined that word. Source: Jones Study, 1953, Honolulu


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Riveting tale, chink.

Also, this must be one of the "dregs of the dregs" Chinese women sleeping with whites.

That is not a chink, get your eyes checked.


Whites are so stupid they actually think that girl is Chinese

Chinks are so stupid they actually think this is indicative of a standard relationship.


nah they just took one of your best women, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Well yeah, scarface is filthy rich. You could take one too if had hundreds of millions of dollars. But instead your dry and wrinkled yellow hand is your only future.


So why didn't she marry Bill Gates or Facebook dude?

Because she wants that black dick. And don't project :)

Project? I don't have skin the color of an old mango. Black dick might have had something to do with it, who knows, either way a chink wouldn't have had any better of a chance, it's only triumphant for you to point out a pretty white woman with a black because asians hold white women above their own women, I mean dogs.

Too much hatred of East Asians in here.

Thankfully, ISN isn't representative of even the Chinese, let alone a whole race of people.

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Bill Gates and the 'Facebook Dude' are already married you dumb chink.

94% of Whites in the US marry within their own race, a much higher rate than for chinks, whose women betray them time and time again.

In before "CHINESE WOMEN MARRY THEIR HIGH SCHOOL BOYFRIENDS!" Ahahahahahahaha! Have you ever even been to college ISN, you dumb fucking chink?


The retard can't even read chinese characters.

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Federal investigators have informed the Philadelphia School District that they found merit in the claims of Asian students who said they were abused at South Philadelphia High School.

The school exploded in racial violence on Dec. 3, when 30 Asians were attacked during a daylong series of assaults carried out by groups of mostly African American classmates.

In a letter to the district, the Justice Department advised school officials to take steps to settle the matter. It was not immediately clear what form a settlement might take, though it would require the district to improve the treatment of Asian students, who say they have been mocked, harassed, and beaten at the school.

The action follows a formal civil rights complaint filed in January by the Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund, an advocacy group. Such complaints do not result in criminal penalties, but can bring broad changes provided that violations are found to have occurred.

"The School District of Philadelphia acknowledges receiving from the U.S. Department of Justice a letter regarding the complaint filed against the district," district general counsel Michael Davis said in response to questions from The Inquirer. "The district is presently engaged in discussions with the Department of Justice seeking to resolve this matter amicably. Because of the ongoing discussions, the district will not comment further on this matter."

Superintendent Arlene Ackerman said the legal nature of the discussions limited how much she could say, but added that she was prepared to make changes.

"I'm certainly willing and anxious to bring whatever challenges and issues there are to closure, so that all the children there can get a great education in a great environment," she said. "Anything we can do to make the climate at South Philadelphia High one that's conducive to all student learning is something we want to do."

The changes would be a victory for Asian students and their advocates, who say complaints of harassment and physical violence were often ignored. The complaint cited at least 26 assaults against Asians during the 2008-09 school year alone, and charged that district inaction led to the violence of Dec. 3.

School administrators insist that they took all allegations seriously and disciplined students when appropriate.

A Justice Department representative said the agency had no comment.

Cecilia Chen, an attorney with the Asian civil rights group, praised the government's action "to address the harassment against Asian students. The School District has turned a blind eye to violence against Asian immigrant students for too long."

She said she hoped discussions of solutions would include students, parents, and Asian advocates.

Helen Gym, a board member of Asian Americans United (AAU), said the Justice Department action "validates the experiences of so many immigrant Asian youth at the school, whose stories the people and administrators at the district, all the way to the top, just refused to hear."

AAU is among several groups that have coalesced around the violence at the school, collectively naming themselves South Philadelphia High School Asian Student Advocates.

The district has hired high-powered outside counsel to respond to the complaint, retaining Trujillo Rodriguez & Richards, a firm founded by former city solicitor and assistant U.S. attorney Kenneth I. Trujillo. The lead attorney on the case is Pedro Ramos, a former president of the city Board of Education.

Efforts to reach Ramos were unsuccessful.

News of the Justice Department letter comes as South Philadelphia High readies for a new school year with a new principal, its fifth in six years. Southern, as the school is known, has long failed to meet state academic standards and has been labeled "persistently dangerous" under federal law.

The settlement talks indicate an approaching end to a seven-month investigation.

Similar cases generally conclude in one of three ways: The subject of the complaint enters into a written agreement with the government to fix certain deficiencies; the Justice Department requires the signing of a formal consent decree, a court-monitored settlement backed by the threat of a lawsuit; or the Justice Department opts to sue to force change.

The third outcome is rare. For entities such as the School District, there is little gain in battling the federal government.

It's unclear precisely when or how the federal findings will be made public. Investigators have spoken with dozens of teachers, students, and staff at Southern.

The complaint claimed the district acted with "deliberate indifference" to the harassment of Asian students and "intentional disregard" to their welfare.

District officials have called the allegations in the complaint outrageous and hurtful, and said staff and administrators have strived to better South Philadelphia High.

After Dec. 3, the district spent $689,000 to install 126 security cameras, and reports of student-on-student assaults dropped dramatically. Students say all know they're being watched at the school, which is 70 percent African American, 18 percent Asian, 6 percent Hispanic, and 5 percent white.

Officials assigned more school police officers, set up diversity training, and announced the formation of a task force on "Racial and Cultural Harmony."

This month, the district opened the Welcome and Enrollment Center for Multilingual Families, where parents and children who are learning English can find educational resources. The district plans to create three "newcomer learning academies" for new immigrants.

The situation at South Philadelphia High has drawn parallels to Lafayette High School in Brooklyn, N.Y., where violence against Asians prompted a Justice Department investigation and, ultimately, a court order to fix the problem.

Federal officials found that Asian students faced "severe and pervasive" harassment at Lafayette, nicknamed "Horror High" after two dozen assaults in 2002, including the beating of the valedictorian.

School officials agreed to make major changes in a 2004 consent decree. However, violence persisted. Poor graduation rates and high administrative turnover led New York education officials to close Lafayette at the end of last school year.

Liberals ignore the fact that identical attacks go on against whites continuously for the last 40 years.

>The district plans to create three "newcomer learning academies" for new immigrants.
lol, they want to segregate immigrants, but i thought liberals think such a thing is evil?
Why not just segregate the cause of the problem, which is niggers.


I don't think so chimpdick :) our best women return home, and the best of the remaining marry in their race. It's the ugly sluts who date 10-15 white males a time :)

Keep dreaming, doggy.


Keep being wrong, chimpdick :)

Chink daydreams are difficult to burst, it's all they have in this world : (


Aside from vastly superior genes, subhuman-free society, and the knowledge that we will be the preeminent power for the next 10,000 years :)

But these are not facts, these are just the ravings of an inferior rat.

>preeminent power for the next 10,000 years
>implying chinks won't cease to exist in a century due to low fertility rates
>implying uighurs won't overrun Beijing and take every attractive chinese woman (all 48 of them) for themselves.


>implying a population of 10 million will overrun a population of 1,250 million
>implying Chinese women actually want Uiniggers
>implying Uiniggers won't be deported if they get uppity
>implying Uiniggers won't stop having tons of babies once they aren't poor
>implying Europe won't be Eurabia

>Rampant dick waving contests.
>Retarded factless accusations.
>Reaction images and biased shit sources.
lol @ gweilos. Can't even gang up on ISN.

Chinese aren't going to go extinct, gweilos. The definition of Han Chinese isn't just in the blood: we've managed to assimilate countless minorities into fellow Han Chinese. Han itself is made of diversities more subtle than skin tone, which is why retarded gweilos are so often confused.

Wow, the double standard is blinding.

Where? There was rampant dick waving contests. There were retarded baseless accusations, most of which don't even bothered with backing up with sources, and what few sources there were comes from pseudoscience and biased historians trying to justify shit.

I apologize if I ruined your gweilo fantasy bubbles where everything goes your way.

Nobody here really hates chinks, they just enjoy winding ISN up.

You can't really complain about that either, ISN says some pretty fucked up things himself.

>Nobody here really hates chinks
I used to like China before I met ISN, because they were the underdog which is managing to succeed

Now I think to myself "If even 10 percent of Chinese are like him, that's 120 million retards"

ISN made me hate all of East Asia


and you subhuman chimpdicks made me hate whites more than I thought I ever could.

You're just a dumbass chink who goes around purposefully looking for anti chinese opinions because he's a rageaholic.

Plenty of whites like China.


Many of the ones that "like" China are destroying China by spreading their politics and worldviews there. This board full of stormfaggots got what it deserved however.

True liberals are just as likely to oppose China as stormfags, since its totalitarian political culture is at least as abhorrent to them as it is to rightists.

Labour activists also have cause to resent China - or at least its impact on the US and other Western labour markets.

Don't forget one of liberals' most cherished pet causes: Free Tibet

There's not much difference between the PRC today and feudal Tibet pre-1950s. Both were/are totalitarian states in which opposition was brutally crushed.

The difference is that the Tibetan government-in-exile - like Taiwan - now has an elected government. The Tibetan government-in-exile retains the Dalai Lama as a spiritual symbol and symbol of national unity, similar to the role played by the British monarchy today.


>There's not much difference between the PRC today and feudal Tibet pre-1950s.

Except the whole no slavery/perpetual hunger/abject misery/complete lack of technology thing

I meant politically.

Obviously feudal Tibet was pretty backwards materially compared to China today.

Then again, China at anytime before the 1980s was incredibly backward compared to any developed nation itself (the only exceptions being Shanghai before World War II, HK and Macao, as well as Taiwan after the 1920s - depending on whether you believe that it is part of China).

Who knows what might have happened in Tibet had the Chinese invasion not have taken place? Chances are that it would have eventually become a constitutional monarchy, much like Nepal and Bhutan today. Then again, the Dalai Lama might have clung to absolute power and been overthrown in a revolution. We never will know, will we?


>Who knows what might have happened in Tibet had the Chinese invasion not have taken place?

Sikkim: 30% native, 60-70% Hindus from Nepal
Bhutan: 15-30% Hindu from Nepal
Arunachal: 37% migrants

I think that speaks for itself.

Not saying you hate Chinese, gweilo. Just stating the facts.

>Derp de derp I'll imagine all Chinese are like ISN!
This is just as retarded as me assuming 10% of gweilos keeps their daughters in rape dungeons.

>There's not much difference between the PRC today and feudal Tibet pre-1950s.
Are you serious? Feudal Tibet chops hands and feet off if you don't worship their living god, enslaves the vast majority of the population to work for their elite religious aristocracy. They discourage any innovation apart from the 'art' that the monk caste do.

The modern PRC is a totalitarian state where social movement DOES exist, and there's plenty of opposition in the form of mob justice and thousands of protests yearly. People choose to work not because they are forced to, but because they are willing to eat bitter for their descendents. The vast majority of Chinese possesses a hatred for the corrupt local officials, yet they all believe in the upper echelons' interest in developing China.

>Tibetan government-in-exile - like Taiwan - now has an elected government.
Let me laugh even harder. The Tibetan government in exile is in no way a democracy, as it is composed completely of the monk slavemasters who were exiled after the Chinese takeover. The Dalai Lama is the face of these goons who wants nothing more than their land and slaves back. The Taiwanese government is corrupt to the core, and the previous DPP president is sitting 20 years for corruption (down from life sentence).

And China even back in the 1980s were advanced compared to pre-PRC Tibet. Life expectancy doubled under PRC rule.

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It had all the trappings of a globally significant confab: big-deal appearances (by Google, BBC), a weighty theme (“the digital age”), and speechifying by international pooh-bahs. Rupert Murdoch, the CEO of News Corp., even delivered a peppery keynote, vowing war on “content kleptomaniacs.” But despite its name, the World Media Summit was itself a media bust, especially in the English-speaking press, which barely covered the three-day event held last fall in Beijing’s Great Hall of the People. The problem? The conference was a propagandafest, a “media Olympics” hosted by the Xinhua News Agency, an official organ of the Chinese Communist Party. If China has its way, however, ignoring Xinhua won’t be an option for long.

For decades Xinhua has been an unavoidable presence in China. It has a monopoly on official news and the regulatory power to complicate life for other media outfits. But as China has grown in wealth and international stature, Beijing has tired of feeling overlooked or maligned by the Western press. So Xinhua’s role has been redefined, as a means for China to wield soft power abroad. In the last year alone, the 80-year-old outlet launched a 24-hour English-language news station, colonized a skyscraper in New York’s Times Square, and announced plans to expand its news-gathering operation from 120 to 200 overseas bureaus and as many as 6,000 journalists abroad. Not to be outdone by its Western peers, Xinhua has also released an iPhone app for “Xinhua news, cartoons, financial information and entertainment programs around the clock.”

With a price tag estimated in the billions of dollars, the new Xinhua is an expensive megaphone. But it’s key “to breaking the monopoly and verbal hegemony” of the West, according to remarks released last year by Xinhua’s president, Li Congjun, who often sounds like he’s channeling Noam Chomsky. Xinhua declined to make officials available for this story, citing “holiday season.” But clearly the effort has to do with the new rules of propaganda, too. Where the game was once about suppressing news, it’s now about overwhelming it, flooding the market with your own information. Airbrushing photos is for amateurs.

The challenge is finding an audience for “news” that is best known for its blind spots. The typical Xinhua sentence is thick on the tongue (“out of which 20 percent were the HIV-infected persons”) and often inaccurate by design. In Xinhua’s world, the Tiananmen Square massacre never happened, Falun Gong is an evil cult, and the Dalai Lama is the Guy Fawkes of Tibet. Xinhua also gathers sensitive news—such as the full heads-rolling horror of the Uighur riots last summer—and releases it to Chinese officials alone. It’s as if The New York Times were to stamp its scoops “internal reference reports” and file them to President Obama.

Nevertheless, Xinhua may be the future of news for one big reason: cost. Most news organizations are in retreat, shuttering bureaus and laying off journalists. But the former “Red China News Agency” doesn’t need to worry about the inconvenience of turning a profit. As a result, it might do for news what China’s state-run factories have done for tawdry baubles and cheap clothes: take something that has become a commodity and foist it onto the world far more cheaply than anyone else can. “It gives them an inherent competitive advantage” says Tuna Amobi, a media analyst for Standard & Poor’s, who thinks Xinhua’s cheap news “might fly.” A subscription to all Xinhua stories costs in the low five figures, compared with at least six figures for comparable access to the Associated Press, Reuters, or AFP. For customers who still can’t afford the fees, a Xinhua aid program offers everything—content, equipment, and technical support—for free.

It’s an alluring deal in the Middle East, Africa, and the developing world, where newsprint sales are up and there’s hunger for non-Western perspectives. Xinhua operates in areas uncovered by the ratings agencies, so its hard to gauge audience size. But in recent months, Xinhua has signed content deals with state-run outlets in Cuba, Mongolia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Turkey, Nigeria, and Zimbabwe, making it a leading source of news for Africa and much of Asia, with more boots on the ground in those continents than any other organization. “They are literally everywhere,” says Orville Schell, director of the Center on U.S.-China Relations at the Asia Society in New York.

It helps, of course, that Xinhua’s spin diminishes when the news doesn’t involve China. “I read them quite a lot,” says Daniel Bettini, foreign editor for Yedioth Ahronoth, one of Israel’s largest newspapers. Editors in Pakistan and Turkey also praise Xinhua, noting that the language is simple and the quality has improved. “In the second Gulf war they were very good,” says Kamil Erdogdu, China correspondent for Turkey’s state news agency. “They got many things first; I used them many times.” AFP and the European Pressphoto Agency recently agreed to sell Xinhua images abroad. “I’m not convinced [censorship] makes a whole lot of difference” for video and pictures, says Jim Laurie, a former ABC and NBC correspondent who now consults for China Central Television (which is also expanding abroad). “Bottom line is so important,” Laurie continues, that “if you see a source of video that is reasonably good, reasonably reliable, and reasonably inexpensive, you’ll access it.”

So far the more established wire services seem to be taking a philosophical approach. The AP declined to comment, and AFP didn't respond to a request for comment by press time. But Reuters sees Xinhua’s expansion as a sign of “the viability of the global landscape,” a view shared by many media analysts, who believe Xinhua’s popularity in emerging markets will be fleeting, a stop-gap until private news outlets can afford the higher-quality wires. To help companies make the jump, all three agencies offer coverage on a more affordable, à la carte basis (just global sports news, for instance). But this view assumes that Xinhua will be seen as a propaganda outlet for years to come.

In recent months, Xinhua has worked to change that image, opening its first bookstore in London, partnering with the United Nations Children’s Fund to cover the well-being of children on six continents, and installing dozens of public flat-screen televisions around Europe to show its feed. And even if the agency fails to improve its image, naked bias is not a handicap the way it was for TASS, the Soviet Union’s 100-bureau news agency during the Cold War. True, Xinhua’s coverage of the United States is hardly fair and balanced. Earlier this year, when the Pentagon unveiled a report on China’s military ambitions, it was brushed aside by Xinhua, which called it “ ‘unprofessional,’ guilty of ambiguities and inconsistencies.” But to many the Chinese perspective now seems like just another ideological choice on the dial, an option as valid as Al-Jazeera, Fox News, or MSNBC. An African or Asian newspaper editor might find the bias less annoying than the Pentagon does, says Minxin Pei, a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

A bigger problem is the fact that Xinhua is often face-rakingly boring, as one would expect from an organization that believes “news coverage should help beef up the confidence of the market and unity of the nation.” A recent piece about Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao revealed how he had “mixed up his rock types” during a talk with schoolchildren and then owned up to it. CHINA’S PREMIER WINS PRAISE AS ROCK OF RESPONSIBILITY Read the headline. For real information, even government officials are known to read Western outlets. The rest of the world may continue to do the same.

> The Taiwanese government is corrupt to the core, and the previous DPP president is sitting 20 years for corruption (down from life sentence).

I wouldn't deny that Taiwan is corrupt compared to the world's least corrupt nations like New Zealand and Iceland (or Hong Kong and Singapore), but do you really believe that Taiwan is more corrupt than the mainland? I find that hard to believe.

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TAIPEI - Taiwan found recently that World Trade Organization (WTO) membership can be a pain in the proverbial when it announced a drastic tax cut on locally brewed rice wine.

Taipei's intention to halve the bottle price of home-produced rice wine did not go down well with the United States and the European Union (EU), the biggest exporters of alcoholic beverages to the Taiwanese market. Both Washington and Brussels allege that after the tax cut the local liquor will become an unfair competitor to imported whisky, cognac and brandy.

The US and the EU consider Taiwan's move a violation of WTO regulations and have threatened to fight it out in the international trade body's dispute-settlement system. In its defense, Taiwan's government has cited surveys that say Taiwanese would never contemplate using rice wine for anything other than cooking. Therefore, even if a bottle (about 750 ml) costs US$0.78 instead of US$1.56, neither Taiwan's commitment to the global trade body nor the interests of foreign brewers would be undermined.

French exporters of alcoholic beverages to Taiwan don't seem too concerned about possible repercussions of the tax cut. "People who drink rice wine will never in their lives buy our cognac," Guillaume Cadilhac of French winemaker Remy Martin's Taiwan distribution office said in an interview with Asia Times Online. "However, the tax cut might hurt makers of whisky in the lowest price categories, since the cheapest whisky here in Taiwan sells for as little as US$6."

When exactly in ancient times the Taiwanese started brewing rice wine isn't clear. What's known is that it has always been the choice of the working class and for cooks who have for centuries poured it generously into pots with winter warmers such as ginger duck or sesame chicken. The latter is also a staple food for mothers during "post-partum confinements", a Chinese tradition that strictly instructs women what to do and, even more so, what to refrain from doing in the month after they have given birth.

The timing of the entry of foreign liquors into Taiwan's ordinary men's lives is easier to determine. Between 1987 and 1990, the island witnessed one of the greatest stock market bubbles in history. Workmen, farmers and office workers alike began to invest in the market and the index rose from 1,000 to 12,054 in a very short period. From then, the market shares of posh foreign wines and liquors grew steadily and Taiwan, with its population of around 20 million, consequently became one of the world's largest export markets for alcoholic beverages.

However, record growth in sales rates came to a sudden stop when in 2008 the global financial crisis spoiled the party and led to a drop in liquor and wine imports. In 2008, the amount of foreign wine shipped to Taiwan decreased by 14%, and in 2009 by another 33%. Amid these decreasing sales, neither the US nor the EU is willing to make concessions on the seemingly harmless rice wine.

Under an amendment to Taiwan's Tobacco and Alcohol Tax Act, which was recently ratified, the rice wine will be taxed as a culinary wine instead of as a distilled liquor. According to estimates by Taiwan's Taxation Department under the Ministry of Finance, this will lead to a tax loss of US$62 million per year. However, the Taxation Department said that sales were expected to surge from 7.5 million bottles per year to 210 million.

The cries of the US and EU of foul play are based on the WTO principle of trade without discrimination, which states that after foreign goods have entered a market, imported and locally produced goods should be treated equally. Since Taiwan's alcohol tax is an excise tax, which simply put is an inland tax as opposed to a customs duty, American and European liquors may not be subject to different tax rates than local alcohol.

According to WTO regulations, whether the liquor's purpose is drinking or cooking isn't relevant because a different treatment for alcoholic products based on their ingredients or usage is not accepted. The argument is simple - only the alcohol level determines the tax categories for alcoholic products.

To convince its fellow WTO members, Taiwan's government argues that to 96% of Taiwanese, rice wine is mostly a chicken marinade, and thus has nothing more in common with the imported delicacies than its alcohol content. Taiwanese newspapers have called for a "cultural outreach" to Westerners to make them understand that's Taiwan is not a place where rice wine is drunk.

Taiwanese lawmakers even went so far as to suggest that visiting dignitaries be treated to an obligatory Taiwanese chicken soup to make the genuine purpose of rice wine known internationally - consequently convincing the US and the EU to drop the WTO complaint.

Taiwan is, however, highly unlikely to get away with its "cooking only" argument. Its neighbors to the north, Japan and Korea, in the past tried a similar trick with their sake and soju to no avail. Still, although Taiwan's government acknowledges that there's little chance left that its fellow WTO members will eventually give in, it has made public that there's a "Plan B".

Whatever the WTO says, it won't affect the rice wine tax break since, as the Taiwanese government assesses, any WTO litigation would drag on for years. According to unnamed officials of the Taiwan Tobacco and Liquor Company, if Taiwan finally were to lose the lawsuit, all it would need to do would be to raise the price back to the original level. In the meantime, Taiwanese voters in the low-income classes would have enjoyed cheap rice wine for a period of time that almost certainly would have covered the important five special municipality elections to be held later this year.

However, things will eventually work out for Taiwan's rice wine, and Guillaume Cadilhac of Remy Martin's Taiwan distribution office can't wait for the tax cut to be implemented. He says: "For me it's good, I actually like to drink that stuff, especially after having Taiwanese food." And as another indication that Taiwan's government's claim that the Taiwanese do not drink rice wine is not quite bulletproof, Cadilhac tells of his girlfriend's father, who is Taiwanese. He says: "Every time we visit him, he pulls out the rice wine; he cooks with it, and he drinks it."

No, Taiwan is most likely less corrupt as a whole than all of China, if corruption could be compared. However, as corruption goes all the way to the top and actually affect the country's progress (Taiwan suffered economically under Ah Bian's rampant anti-China rhetoric to please his Western sponsors), they're not exactly a great example to use.

>However, as corruption goes all the way to the top and actually affect the country's progress (Taiwan suffered economically under Ah Bian's rampant anti-China rhetoric to please his Western sponsors), they're not exactly a great example to use.

Chen's hostility to the CCP and corruption are two different issues.

Also, you betray your ignorance of Taiwan's relations with the the West by suggesting that Chen had "Western sponsors". That's a very serious allegation, and you ought to back it up.

If anything, the KMT was sponsored by the United States for decades.

>>corruption goes all the way to the top

What makes you think corruption doesn't go all the way to the top in mainland China?

We only learned that corruption went all the way to the top in the KMT after the dictatorship there was ended.

> affect the country's progress

>Implying that corruption doesn't affect mainland China's progress

>Implying that Taiwan is a country despite your own stated One China position

Chen's hostility of the CCP is related to his inability to govern. He drums up anti-China feelings to cover up his incompetence and his own corruption. His unsubtle hostility against China meant it impossible for Taiwanese businessmen to invest and reap rewards off China's economic growth as other East Asian nations could.

The President or leader of a state puts the interests of his charges first and foremost, beyond his own biases. Ah Bian failed.

>Also, you betray your ignorance of Taiwan's relations with the the West by suggesting that Chen had "Western sponsors".
Is it not obvious? Taiwan always had Western sponsers, especially since when they were a thorn to the side of China. Bian drums up anti-China rhetoric at the beck and call of the US, was the first head of state from Taiwan to visit New York / Washington (and he did twice), and he even recieved a Human Rights Award in October 2003. Only when the US felt Bian had gone too far to incite conflict did Bian step off his increasingly aggressive gestures.

The KMT was sponsered by the US for as long as they continued to oppose China. Ever since the DPP, the KMT had been more pro-China. It appears you know next to nothing about Taiwanese politics, which is funny because you accuse me of being the same.

>We only learned that corruption went all the way to the top in the KMT after the dictatorship there was ended.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. You realise that Chiang Kai Shek had the full support of the CIA to his death, right? Please don't tell me you think your secret thugs are incompetent enough to think Chiang and his goons were not corrupt to the core.

I think that PRC leaders at the top have the sense to know that if they did not do their job properly, the mob will lynch them. Which meant that they at least have to keep China growing.

>Implying corruption had stagnated China's economy as it did Taiwan's.
And Taiwan is de facto a country, not de jure. Picking at words won't change the fact that Taiwan and China are one according to the One China Policy most countries recognize.

Taiwan is a mature economy unlike mainland China - much like Japan and the Western European nations.

For this reason, it cannot be expected for Taiwan to experience a growth rate comparable to that of mainland China at the current time. A slowdown from the earlier decades of heady growth was inevitable, and had nothing to do with Chen being caught with his hands in the till.

>Ever since the DPP, the KMT had been more pro-China.

This is true, of course - but the US hasn't responded to the KMT's shift by sponsoring the DPP. The onus is on you to demonstrate any actions or statements on the part of the US to support the DPP.

Like Japan but unlike Hong Kong / Korea / Singapore, or even Western European countries (all of which mature economies as you say), Taiwan's stagnated growth is the result of its leaders' incompetence. The others don't have this trouble, although of course they grow at a much slower rate than China.

I am not saying that Taiwan's growth should at the same breakneck pace as that of China's, but it has been known for a while in East Asia that Taiwan's easily the worst off of the Four Asian Tigers. Whilst Hong Kong, Korea and Singapore races ahead, Taiwan continues to drag its feet due to its problems.

>This is true, of course - but the US hasn't responded to the KMT's shift by sponsoring the DPP.
Is receiving a Human Rights Award for doing nothing, being able to visit New York twice as a proper head of state, Bian only stopping his anti-China rhetoric when told explicitly to shut it by the US not enough evidence for you?

The US does not care which party leads as long as Taiwan continues to act as a problem for China, which is why it continues to sell weapons to Taiwan even when the KMT is in power.

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Taiwan's real GDP growth rate in 2007 - a year before the elections which swept the KMT to power in 2008 - was 5.7%. This was higher than that of South Korea, Australia and a whole host of developed nations. While a tad lower than that of Singapore and Hong Kong, it's quite respectable.

Ah Bian took office in 2000, gweilo.

My claim of Taiwan's economic failures is not without backing:
>Scroll down to (B. Taiwan's economy)
>Scroll to Stagnated Wages and Deteriorating Income Distribution: The Seven Lost Years, pg 148

Balance this with quotes from Ah Bian:

>Ah Bian took office in 2000, gweilo.

That whooshing sound is the sound of my point going over your head. 2007 was the year BEFORE the KMT came to power, and the DPP had been in power for years. That year Taiwan enjoyed a respectable 5%+ growth rate, hardly anything to be concerned about.


Sure is KMT propaganda in here.

source is legit. counter it or concede.

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It was respectable in spite of the DPP charlatans. KMT could provide close to Singapore-like growth, and bring broader benefits to the East Asian race.

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I try to remain optimistic that the US and China will work out a more or less amicable way to run the world for the next half century, a “Chimerica” of interwoven superpowers.

But it was slightly disturbing to hear the warnings of a distinguished China-watcher at a closed-door session of the annual Ambrosetti conference on Lake Como.

(This gathering of the global policy elites at Villa D’Este is a hardship assignment for Telegraph hacks. It fell to me again this year, but somebody has to do it.)

“China’s military spending is growing so fast that it has overtaken strategy,” said Professor Huang Jing from the Lee Kwan Yew School of Public Policy in Singapore. (He kindly let me quote his remarks.)

“The young officers are taking control of strategy and it is like young officers in Japan in the 1930s. They are thinking what they can do, not what they should do. This is very dangerous.

“They are on a collision course with a US-dominated system”.

Harvard Professor Niall Ferguson rattled me even further with a talk warning that the Chimerica marriage of the last generation is “on the rocks”.

“China gets 10pc growth: the US gets 10pc unemployment. That doesn’t seem the basis for a happy marriage,” said Prof Fergusson, – who used to sit next to me at the Telegraph as a young leader writer almost 20 years ago, before he went on to become one of the 100 most influential people on the planet (Time magazine).

China’s trade surplus is surging back to near record levels, yet the yuan has barely moved against the dollar since the fixed peg ended in June. It has actually fallen against a trade-weighted basket of currencies.

This is not an accident. The exchange rate is controlled. The yuan must rise – ceteribus paribus – unless the central bank prevents it doing so by purchasing foreign assets.

Prof Ferguson said naval rivalry is passé – cyberwarfare is the issue of the future, and he advises the West to be a little more careful about its reliance on Chinese-manufactured microchips.

Be that as it may, the current flash-point is a very old fashioned showdown between gunboats in the Yellow Sea and the South China Sea (the latter now a “core interest” of China along with Tibet and Taiwan), also claimed in part by a ring of other nations who are not pleased.

In late July, the chairman of US chiefs of staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, said he had moved from being “curious” about what the Chinese were doing, “to being concerned about what they’re doing. They seem to be taking a much more aggressive approach.”

“I see a fairly significant investment in high-end equipment – satellites, ships … anti-ship missiles, obviously high-end aircraft and all those kinds of things. They are shifting from a focus on their ground forces to focus on their navy, and their air force.”

Last week this little spat escalated to the point where a Chinese submarine erected a Chinese flag on the seabed of the South China Sea, 4,000 meters below the surface.

China has a perfect right to develop a blue-water navy and to make its presence felt in the region. The question in such matters is judging the purpose and precise circumstances, and I must confess that Prof Huang’s comments were slightly disturbing, always bearing in mind that he has a Singapore (Chinese diaspora) perspective.

Let it be said in China’s defence that it occupies no overseas military bases, and has no modern history of projecting imperial power.

On balance, I remain hopeful that country with a one-child policy, an aging crunch from Hell, and a chronic dearth of young people, will show an enormous reluctance to support military adventurism. Losing an only child is especially cruel.

Let us hope that the Communist hierachy in Beijing can rein in those young officers. But as Dr Huang said, they can no longer control much of anything, least of all the 17m-strong base of the Communist Party.

“The empire has lost control of its officials, which is how Chinese empires have always fallen in history.”

This needs watching, I fear.

You're the idiot, gweilo. You posted the economic data of ONLY 2007, when Bian and the DPP has been in power SINCE 2000. My sources talk about the ENTIRE LENGTH of Chen Shui-bian's reign.

>Implying the young officers of the PLA have any say in things.
lol @ more blatant gweilo fearmongering.

They'll have say in ten years or so

Diplomatic tensions between China and Japan were reignited after Japan arrested the captain of a Chinese fishing boat which it had accused of straying into its territorial waters.

The Japanese ambassador to China was summoned for the second time in two days as the China lodged a formal protested against the arrest, demanding the release of the trawler's skipper and an end to Japanese patrols in disputed waters.
The rebuke came a day after China's foreign ministry warned it reserved the right "to take further actions" against Japan which has pledged to lay criminal charges against the captain who faces a maximum of three years in jail.

China and Japan dispute the ownership of a string of five small uninhabited islands in the East China Sea near where the incident took place – known as Senkaku in Japan, Diaoyu in China – which are believed to hold seabed oil deposits.
The diplomatic moves were accompanied by an organised demonstration outside the Japanese embassy in Beijing when 30 flag-waving Chinese chanted demands for Japan to "get out" of the disputed islands. The embassy accepted a petition from the demonstrators.
This year there have already been three incidents involving Chinese and Japanese shipping, the most serious coming in April when a Chinese navy helicopter came within 300ft of a Japanese military vessel observing a Chinese naval exercise.
In the latest incident Japan's coastguard said that the Chinese boat twice struck Japanese patrol vessels after ignoring instructions to cease fishing in the disputed waters. No one was injured in the clashes, though the two Japanese craft were reported lightly damaged.
Although there is a long history of distrust between the two nations, founded on the bitterness of Japan's occupation of large parts of China between 1931 to 1945, Sino-Japanese trade ties have deepened rapidly in the last decade, with China becoming Japan's largest trading partner in 2009.
Japan's top government spokesman, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshito Sengoku, promised to deal with the case "strictly" according to the law, but also urged calm on all sides.
"It is necessary to deal with the case calmly, not to heat things up in Japan. We have to conduct diplomatic dialogue firmly. Japan's stance is that a territorial problem does not exist," he told a news conference.
However China's state-controlled Global Times newspaper warned in a commentary of the grave risk of the row escalating, saying that "Japan's irresponsible moves may eventually set fire to the Sino-Japanese relationship, or even force a military showdown."

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(Southern Metropolis Daily) On September 2, a netizen posted a blog post titled “Shenglong Village officials of Gangkou town, Zhongshan city traveled and participated in sexual activities using public fund” which exposed photos of village security officer and a production team leader taken with the topless transvestites during the trip to Thailand. Southern Metropolis Daily reporter confirmed these photos were taken during a public funded trip to Thailand organized by the village in July. Village security officer Liangxi Quan said, the ladyboy is really a man, touching his breasts is not a big deal.

According to a responsible personnel, last year the village had the requirement of acquiring 6000 acres of land. In order to encourage the group leaders to smoothly meet the quota, the town promised them a trip. That was how the Thailand trip came about, but as for the cost of the trip, where exactly was it from? The village official said it was not from the village funds, and it was from the “top”, but from which specific level, the responsible personnel did not wish to disclose.

As a cadre of the community, using public funds traveling to Thailand, and having intimate photos with transvestites circulating the internet drew a lot of attentions. What does village community public security officer Liang Xiquan think about his behavior in Thailand? Reporter had a phone interview with him.

Reporter: What was the trip to Thailand for?

Liang: Before the land acquisition job, we were promised that if we do a good job we’d be awarded with the trip.

Reporter: Where did you guys go? For how long? How much was the expense?

Liang: Went to Thailand, Bangkok and Pattaya, total of 5 days, the tour package was around 2,800 yuan per person.

Reporter: Did you pay for the trip yourself?

Liang: No, the village paid for it. (Another leader of Shenglong village chimed in: “no, the village didn’t pay for it”, but he does not know the situation.)

Reporter: Did you know that your photos of the trip spread on the internet?

Liang: … (Silence)

Reporter: Where did you ‘play’ with the ladyboys?

Liang: Should be on the Oriental Princess, there are 1000 people on the cruise, mostly Chinese, many people also did it.

Reporter: What do you mean? did what?

Liang: On the boat, Thailand ladyboys take off their clothes and let your touch their breasts.

Reporter: How much for that? Was there woman in the tour group? Other than that, were there other similar activities?

Liang: I don’t know if others gave tips, but I did not pay. 7 or 8 men in our group also brought their wives. They also did it, even women played like that. There were no other activities other than that. (A Shenglong community leader interrupted: I header it was 20 baht tip to touch them once.)

Reporter: As a community cadre, do you think it was good to participate in such activities?

Liang: This was arranged by Zhongshan tour group, and playing like that in Thailand is also publicly accepted. Because he (ladyboy) is also a man, I felt it was not a big deal. However I felt it was not good that the photos went public.

Reporter: Now the villagers are aware of you using public funds went out for this, do you have anything to clarify? Has your family seen these yet?

Liang: I can’t help that, they like to talk, so let them talk. My family has not seen the photos at this point.

Reporter: Do you think this offends public morals?

Liang: This happened in Thailand, not in China, It is seen as the local customs and tradition, this may be offending public moral in China, but it is relatively normal in Thailand.

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New trade protection measures adopted by developed countries like the United States against China will not only sour bilateral relations but also hamper global recovery, Supachai Panitchpakdi, secretary-general of the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) said on Wednesday.

Urging the nation to defend itself from such attacks, Panitchpakdi said the measures would strain China's economic ties with the US.

In an interview with China Daily, Panitchpakdi said he does not concur with the view of other nations that the investment environment is deteriorating in China.

"China should be more aggressive in defending its turf and be selective in allowing foreign investment," he said.

The UNCTAD chief's comments come at a time when some nations are emerging from the throes of a recession and others are busy withdrawing the massive stimulus packages.

"I am concerned that trade friction between nations is increasing. It may intensify (in the coming months) and China will be a major target and the most frequently attacked nation. They (China) should be aware of this," he said.

Alarmed by rising unemployment and a ballooning trade deficit, the US has started a tirade against China's trade policies and termed them harmful for American companies.

The US Commerce Department said recently that it would monitor the alleged illegal import practices of nations like China and Vietnam, and impose higher duties when required.

He said although "both countries (China and the US) are now doing their best to reduce trade disputes", he still remains concerned "that (Sino-US) trade friction will rise", as "(US) companies are clamoring for more government intervention".

Expressing his concern, he said the lingering disputes would come in the way of a faster global economic recovery.

China has been a victim of trade protectionism recently with the US launching 23 cases against China, accounting for 65 percent of the trade disputes in 2009.

More aggressive

"I don't think China's investment environment is getting worse as argued, as China is in the right direction and doing more mobilization (on investment policies), including larger participation in distribution, banking sector reforms, and improving enforcement of IPR (intellectual property rights) laws," he said.

But, "of course, you cannot please everyone", he said.

According to UNCTAD's latest survey, China will remain the hottest foreign direct investment destination for the next three years.

Speaking at the 2010 UNCTAD World Investment Forum, Vice-President Xi Jinping said the government will strive to create a more open and optimized investment environment for foreign businesses.

"China needs to come out and be more aggressive in telling them the truth, and asking them to check, instead of just making loose comments, as the explanation is necessary and useful," he said.

"The vice-president's speech (at the opening ceremony) is graphic, explaining what China is doing on investment policies in clear terms," he said.

Commerce Minister Chen Deming said while the government remains optimistic about the investment environment, it also believes that there is still ample room for improvement.

Chen said the biggest concern for China is the quality of its foreign investment.

China should not worry too much about foreign investment, as the nation is not in dire need of such huge inflows, said Supachai.

The nation should strive to get more investment in the knowledge and technology sectors, he said.

"If they are not comfortable with China's policies, they can go somewhere else," he said.

The new FDI guidelines announced by the government envisages more foreign investment in sectors like renewable energy, high-tech and services.

During the first seven months of this year, China's FDI grew by 20.7 percent year-on-year, the highest growth worldwide. FDI growth in the services sector zoomed to 37.6 percent, compared with 4.58 percent for the manufacturing sector.

Zhou Siyu contributed to the story.

Fuck the United Nations, it can be counted on to side with Third World savages over the civilised nations each and every time. Regardless what issue is as stake.

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> Fuck the United Nations, it can be counted on to side with Third World savages over the civilised nations each and every time. Regardless what issue is as stake.

Yes. Which is why the UN voted to allow America and Britain to Invade Iraq. Several times.

  chinese love race mixing

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Indeed, the thought of China increasing its role in the international community makes me shudder. It does not give a damn about any other country but its own. To use a current example, I heard a report on cctv recently condemning Britain and other countries for tampering in the internal affairs of a number of African countries. Apparently they were peeved that we simply did not wish to throw away billions of dollars in aid. Instead we insisted on constitutional changes and electoral reform rather than pissing away our money to prop up corrupt dictatorships. Why would that be? Would it be because China has oil interests in the region and as a result has contributed millions of dollars propping up these regimes to enjoy access to their oil infrastructure?
And to think of all the self righteous rhetoric certain western countries had to endure after Iraq. At least we got rid of a dictator instead of embracing genocide.

People believe that China is a country on the move and perhaps they are right but God only knows how. They are backward bunch of arrogant xenophobes. They only explanation I have is sheer numbers. They lack innovation, common sense, diplomacy and a sense of history. The society is both culturally and morally bankrupt. They may talk about 5,000 years of culture but if you come to China you'll have a hard time finding it. They'd tear down a 1000 year old temple arm off just to make a few yuan.

They also claim all invention as their own, despite the fact they haven;t contributed anything of significance in hundreds of years. I say let the dragon keep on sleeping because the only thing they are likely to to when they do fully wake up is bore everyone some more with tales of an old culture that no longer exists.

China is a vacuous and superficial shithole, a parody of what it may once have been.

Now don't get me wrong. I want the poor in China to propser. I want them to afford medicines and food for their children. I do however have a problem with China becoming a major player, if not the major player, in world politics. It has neither the sensitivity, the ability, the diplomacy or the compassion to carry out the job effectively. I am a Brit and I say give me the yanks everytime. Call me niave but in my heart I believe that they are on the whole a force for good.

Liberal thought process, oh no how dare a country look out for it's own people, and not permit race mixing and mass immigration and all sorts of disgusting perverse globalist things!


Agreed. Qin Shi Huang was a moron when it came to inventing a writing system (not to mention he burned everything already written and buried the folks who wrote it). And so we wind up with shit like 你媽媽是胖,她的寵物鯨魚得到粉碎了她。

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When three Chinese scientists plunged to the bottom of the South China Sea in a tiny submarine early this summer, they did more than simply plant their nation’s flag on the dark seabed.

The men, who descended more than two miles in a craft the size of a small truck, also signaled Beijing’s intention to take the lead in exploring remote and inaccessible parts of the ocean floor, which are rich in oil, minerals and other resources that the Chinese would like to mine. And many of those resources happen to lie in areas where China has clashed repeatedly with its neighbors over territorial claims.

After the flag planting, which was done in secret but recorded in a video, Beijing quickly turned the feat of technology into a show of bravado.

“It is a great achievement,” Liu Feng, director of the dives, was quoted as saying by China Daily, an English-language newspaper, which telegraphs government positions to the outside world.

The global seabed is littered with what experts say is trillions of dollars’ worth of mineral nodules as well as many objects of intelligence value: undersea cables carrying diplomatic communications, lost nuclear arms, sunken submarines and hundreds of warheads left over from missile tests.

While a single small craft cannot reel in all these treasures, it does put China in an excellent position to go after them.

“They’re in it for a penny and a pound,” said Don Walsh, a pioneer of deep-ocean diving who recently visited the submersible and its makers in China. “It’s a very deliberate program.”

The small craft that made the trip — named Jiaolong, after a mythical sea dragon — was unveiled publicly late last month after eight years of secretive development. It is designed to go deeper than any other in the world, giving China access to 99.8 percent of the ocean floor.

Technically, it is a submersible. These craft differ from submarines in their small size, their need for a mother ship on the surface, and their ability to dive extraordinarily far despite the darkness and the crushing pressures. The world has only a few.

Jiaolong is meant to go as deep as 7,000 meters, or 4.35 miles, edging out the current global leader. Japan’s Shinkai 6500 can go as deep as 6,500 meters, outperforming craft “all over the world,” according to its makers. Russia, France and the United States lag further behind in the game of going deep.

American experts familiar with the Chinese undersea program say it is unusual in that Beijing has little experience in the daunting field. As a result, China is moving cautiously. Jiaolong’s sea trials began quietly last year and are to continue until 2012, its dives going deeper in increments.

“They’re being very cautious,” Dr. Walsh said. “They respect what they don’t know and are working hard to learn.”

In an interview, Dr. Walsh said that the Chinese were especially interested in avoiding the embarrassment of a disaster that ends with the aquanauts’ entrapment or death. “If I’m the new kid on the block,” he said, “I’m going to make sure that I’ve got bragging rights.”

Still, China is already waving flags. The move resembles how Russian scientists, in the summer of 2007, plunged through the ice pack at the North Pole and planted their flag on the bottom of the ocean. Upon surfacing, the explorers declared that the feat had strengthened Moscow’s claims to nearly half the Arctic seabed.

Wang Weizhong, a Chinese vice minister of science and technology, said that the Jiaolong’s sea trials “marked a milestone” for China and global exploration. The recent successes of the craft, he said in late August at a news conference in Beijing, “laid a solid foundation for its practical application in resource surveys and scientific research.”

But at least one senior Chinese expert questioned what he called “the current propaganda.” The expert, Weicheng Cui, a professor at the China Ship Scientific Research Center, which is building the submersible, said Thursday in an e-mail that the craft’s sea trials had steered clear of contested islands “to avoid any diplomatic issues.”

The flurry of publicity over the flag planting, he said, “is not so helpful for us to complete the project.”

China’s splash in the arcane world of submersibles comes after years of singling out major industries and technologies for rapid development. China is rushing to make supercomputers and jumbo jets. With expanding political ambitions and territorial claims in neighboring seas, it has paid special attention to oceanography and building a blue-water navy, one that operates in the deep waters of open oceans.

The United States once held the submersible lead. In 1960, it sent Dr. Walsh, then a Navy officer, to the ocean’s deepest spot, seven miles down. But over the decades, it lost its edge to France, Russia and, most recently, Japan.

China began its push in 2002. A few Westerners became aware of the guarded effort when China ordered from Russia the forging of a spherical hull about seven feet wide.

At the heart of any submersible lies the hollow sphere where the aquanauts work. It houses a pilot and two observers, who can peer out of tiny portholes. Typically, a dive into the abyss is an all-day affair, requiring hours to and from the bottom.

American experts said China went on a global shopping spree to gather sophisticated gear for its submersible. From the United States, it bought advanced lights, cameras and manipulator arms. Dr. Cui estimated that 40 percent of the craft’s equipment came from abroad.

China also turned to the United States for tutoring. In 2005, five Chinese trainee pilots and one scientist participated in eight dives on Alvin, the oldest and most famous of the world’s deep-diving craft, which is run by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution on Cape Cod. China “bought time on Alvin to gain experience,” according to the Deep Submergence Science Committee, a group that advises the federal government and universities on ocean exploration.

Though Alvin can go down only 4,500 meters, or 2.8 miles, it has made thousands of dives and discoveries, and is widely seen among experts as highly productive and well run.

One of the Chinese trainees was Ye Cong, now a pilot on Jiaolong during its sea trials.

Last year’s tests went as deep as 1,000 meters (about a half mile), and this summer’s as deep as 3,759 meters. Next year Jiaolong is to dive to 5,000 meters and in 2012 reach its maximum depth.

Dr. Walsh said the flag issue prompted more awkwardness than swagger among those who are building and testing the new submersible.

“We had a laugh about it,” he recalled of his China visit. “I said, ‘Oh, you’re copying the Russians,’ and they kind of giggled. These guys are pretty apolitical and pretty well insulated” from Beijing. “They’re just contractors doing their job.”

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I apologize for taking so long to write but for the past rwo weeks (and the next five days) I have been travelling for conferences and meetings. I spent last week in Buenos Aires at the 75th Anniversary Conference of the Banco Central de la Republica Argentina, where I gave a presentation on China and the global imbalances. Four days ago I spoke at an event in Amsterdam, while in the past three days in Brussels I spoke at an event organized by the Carnegie Endowment and had meetings with a number of EU officials. Today I am off to London for three days of investor meetings.

In all of my meetings I think people were pretty surprised to hear about my misgivings over Chinese growth and the banking system, and shocked to hear that there is a worried and sometimes acrimonious debate taking place in China among policymakers and their advisors about the urgency of a (perhaps radical) adjustment in the growth model. It seems to me that foreign reports about China mainly fall either into the easily-dismissible China-is-about-to-crash-and-burn camp or, more likely, into the everything-is-going-wonderfully-well camp. Most people I spoke to assumed that China had emerged from the crisis largely unscathed and was about to embark on a new growth surge that would pull the world behind it. There was a hopeful sense that for all the mess in Japan, Europe and the US, there might be a ray of economic light emanating from China.

My claim that China has some deep-rooted problems which will be especially difficult to resolve, especially in a world of sluggish demand growth, was, for many I think, a serious downer, especially in Argentina. I also discussed why I believed that deepening imbalances in the world, set off especially by the financial crisis in the trade-deficit countries of Europe, would make global trade tensions much worse and would make the adjustment for trade surplus countries like China, Germany and Japan all the more difficult. My European friends generally agreed, very glumly, with the logic of the argument, although for all the heroic efforts of the likes of Martin Wolf at the Financial Times a surprisingly large number of people had not made the connection.

But as if to make me look foolish, trade numbers for both China and the US were released Thursday suggesting unexpected improvements in both the American and Chinese trade imbalances. The US trade deficit in July narrowed sharply from June’s $49.8 billion to $42.8 billion. China’s August trade surplus also narrowed. Here is what an article in the Financial Times said:

China’s trade surplus narrowed last month, with imports growing much faster than expected though not enough to defuse political pressure on Beijing over the level of its currency. According to figures released on Friday, the trade surplus was $20.03bn in August, down from $28.7bn a month earlier and short of analysts forecasts. Exports grew 34.4 per cent in August over the year before while imports increased 35.2 per cent.

Will these better-than-expected numbers reduce the threat of serious trade conflict? Almost certainly not, in my opinion. The US monthly trade deficits bottomed out in early 2009 at a still-mighty $26 billion or so, if I remember well, and have risen very steadily since then. July’s $42.8 billion is perfectly in line with that rising trend and only looks small because of a very sharp and unexpected spike in June. More importantly, the improvement in the trade deficit wasn’t caused by a surge in exports, which only grew 1.8%, but rather by a decline in imports, which dropped 2.1%.

In spite of the decline in the overall US trade deficit and in the overall Chinese trade surplus, the trade deficit with China barely budged, dropping from $26.2 billion to $25.9 billion. This means that China’s “share” of the US deficit rose from 52.6% to 60.5%. We should never over-interpret bilateral trade numbers, which contrary to much otherwise informed opinion are largely useless in explaining trade imbalances, but there is no question that the bilateral balance with China is politically very sensitive. The latest numbers are not going to soothe the concerns of US policymakers who worry about the impact on US employment of trade and industrial policies in China and elsewhere.

Interestingly enough although the US trade deficit declined against most of its major trading partners, it actually rose against Europe, from $9.4 billion to $12.3 billion, or from 18.9% of the total to 28.7% This should not be a surprise, as I discuss in my May 19 entry. Everyone, even in Europe, is relying on increased exports to the US to resolve domestic unemployment problems, and the weakness in the euro seems to be having a big impact on European competitiveness. I have written before about Germany’s role in the global imbalances and suggested that Germany-bashing in Europe and the US would become an increasingly popular sport. The latest numbers aren’t going to make life any easier. Basically they mean that not only does the collapse in the deficits of trade-deficit Europe have to be fully absorbed outside of Europe (i.e. the US), but Germany will even benefit from weakness in the euro to expand its surplus even further.

But there’s more. Friday’s Wall Street Journal had an article on Japanese anger at Chinese purchases of yen which, according to Japanese government data released Wednesday, showed that China’s yen purchases this year equal $27 billion, more than six times China’s combined yen buying in the previous five years.

Tokyo turned up the heat on Beijing for contributing to a strong yen, which is threatening Japan’s economic recovery and adding to tensions between the two countries. As the yen hovered near a 15-year high against the U.S. dollar Thursday, Japanese Finance Minister Yoshihiko Noda called for talks with China over its recent yen-buying spree, which has helped drive the Japanese currency higher, making Japanese goods less competitive with China’s.

“I don’t know the true intention” of China regarding its growing appetite for yen-denominated bonds, Mr. Noda said Thursday before the Japanese parliament’s upper house. “We are paying close attention,” Mr. Noda said. Mr. Noda reiterated a pledge to intervene in currency markets to stem the yen’s rise. Japan hasn’t entered currency markets since 2004, the last time it sold yen for dollars in order to weaken the yen. If Japan does intervene, it would add another complication to the China-Japan relationship.

Everyone is playing the same game — trying to force the brunt of the adjustment abroad — and here we have China and Japan squabbling over Chinese attempts to recycle its trade surplus into Japan rather than into the US or Europe. Japan is having none of it, although my older readers will remember wryly that twenty years ago Japanese officials dismissed as bizarre and dishonest American arguments that currency intervention of this sort justified angry responses. Times change, of course, and I guess you have to keep up with the latest trends.

Since I am travelling I haven’t been able to look closely at the Chinese trade numbers, but I did notice another article in the Financial Times. It pointed out that:

China, the world’s largest consumer of commodities, including copper and iron ore, registered strong growth in crude oil and copper imports in August, allaying fears of a slowdown in the country’s demand for materials. The preliminary numbers, published on Friday by China’s customs bureau, are a closely watched barometer of demand.

Imports of crude oil increased 13.3 per cent in August from the year prior to 20.9m tonnes – more than expected after figures showing weak oil import demand in July. Imports of copper jumped 16.7 per cent from a year earlier, continuing strong growth from the previous month thanks to demand from China’s expanding power grid.

The increased importing of commodities may be for real domestic use, but if it is for commodity stockpiling (including, I might add, stockpiling in the form of “use” in empty apartments and offices purchased for speculative purposes), it really represents investment, or anticipated consumption, more than current consumption, and so should be removed from the trade numbers to give clearer picture of the real trade balance.

What does this all mean? I would argue that the trade imbalances are getting worse, but the rising US trade deficit is not being driven by another US consumption binge. No matter what US consumers might choose to do, the US trade defcit will continue rising as an automatic consequence of events and policies abroad, and as they do, the US fiscal deficit will probably need to rise even faster to minimize the employment impact. This will keep on going until the US retaliates. For me this is not a matter of if, but when.


The seas belong to China!

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PRATO, Italy — Over the years, Italy learned the difficult lesson that it could no longer compete with China on price. And so, its business class dreamed, Italy would sell quality, not quantity. For centuries, this walled medieval city just outside of Florence has produced some of the world’s finest fabrics, becoming a powerhouse for “Made in Italy” chic.

And then, China came here.

Chinese laborers, first a few immigrants, then tens of thousands, began settling in Prato in the late 1980s. They transformed the textile hub into a low-end garment manufacturing capital — enriching many, stoking resentment and prompting recent crackdowns that in turn have brought cries of bigotry and hypocrisy.

The city is now home to the largest concentration of Chinese in Europe — some legal, many more not. Here in the heart of Tuscany, Chinese laborers work round the clock in some 3,200 businesses making low-end clothes, shoes and accessories, often with materials imported from China, for sale at midprice and low-end retailers worldwide.

It is a “Made in Italy” problem: Enabled by Italy’s weak institutions and high tolerance for rule-bending, the Chinese have blurred the line between “Made in China” and “Made in Italy,” undermining Italy’s cachet and ability to market its goods exclusively as high end.

Part of the resentment is cultural: The city’s classic Italian feel is giving way to that of a Chinatown, with signs in Italian and Chinese, and groceries that sell food imported from China.

But what seems to gall some Italians most is that the Chinese are beating them at their own game — tax evasion and brilliant ways of navigating Italy’s notoriously complex bureaucracy — and have created a thriving, if largely underground, new sector while many Prato businesses have gone under. The result is a toxic combination of residual fears about immigration and the economy.

“This could be the future of Italy,” said Edoardo Nesi, the culture commissioner of Prato Province. “Italy should pay attention to the risks.”

The situation has steadily grown beyond the control of state tax and immigration authorities. According to the Bank of Italy, Chinese individuals in Prato channel an estimated $1.5 million a day to China, mainly earnings from the garment and textile trade. Profits of that magnitude are not showing up in tax records, and some local officials say the Chinese prefer to repatriate their profits rather than invest locally.

The authorities also say that Chinese and probably Italian organized crime is on the rise, involving not only illegal fabric imports, but also human trafficking, prostitution, gambling and money laundering.

The rest of Italy is watching closely. “Lots of businesses from Emilia Romagna, Puglia and the Veneto say, ‘We don’t want to wind up like Prato,’ ” said Silvia Pieraccini, the author of “The Chinese Siege,” a book about the rise of the “pronto moda” or “fast fashion” economy.

Tensions have been running high since the Italian authorities stepped up raids this spring on workshops that use illegal labor, and grew even more when Italian prosecutors arrested 24 people and investigated 100 businesses in the Prato area in late June. The charges included money laundering, prostitution, counterfeiting and classifying foreign-made products as “Made in Italy.”

Yet many Chinese in Prato are offended at the idea that they have ruined the city. Instead, some argue, they have helped rescue Prato from total economic irrelevance, another way of saying that if the Italian state fails to innovate and modernize the economy, somebody else just might.

“If the Chinese hadn’t gone to Prato, would there be pronto moda?” asked Matteo Wong, 30, who was born in China and raised in Prato and runs a consulting office for Chinese immigrants. “Did the Chinese take jobs away from Italians? If anything, they brought lots of jobs to Italians.”

In recent months, Prato has become a diplomatic point of contention. Italian officials say the Chinese government has not done enough so far to address the issue of illegal immigrants, and they are seeking a bilateral accord with China to identify and deport them. Some Prato residents suspect that the flood of immigrants is part of a strategy by Beijing to exploit the Italian market, though the Chinese government does not generally use illegal migrants to carry out its overseas development plans.

Italian officials say Prato is expected to be on the agenda when Prime Minister Wen Jiabao of China visits Rome in October.

China in Italy’s Backyard

According to the Prato chamber of commerce, the number of Italian-owned textile businesses registered in Prato has dropped in half since 2001 to just below 3,000, 200 fewer than those now owned by Chinese, almost all in the garment sector. Once a major fabric producer and exporter, Prato now accounts for 27 percent of Italy’s fabric imports from China.

Resentment runs high. “You take someone from Prato with two unemployed kids and when a Chinese person drives by in a Porsche Cayenne or a Mercedes bought with money earned from illegally exploiting immigrant workers, and this climate is risky,” said Domenico Savi, Prato’s chief of police until June.

According to the Prato mayor’s office, there are 11,500 legal Chinese immigrants, out of Prato’s total population of 187,000. But the office estimates the city has an additional 25,000 illegal immigrants, a majority of them Chinese.

With its bureaucracy, protectionist policies and organized crime, Italy is arguably Western Europe’s least business-friendly country. Yet in Prato, the Chinese have managed to create an entirely new economy from scratch in a matter of years.

A common technique used, often with the aid of knowledgeable Italian tax consultants and lawyers, is to open a business, close it before the tax police can catch up, then reopen the same workspace with a new tax code number.

“The Chinese are very clever. They’re not like other immigrants, who can be pretty thick,” said Riccardo Marini, a textile manufacturer and the head of the Prato branch of Confindustria, the Italian industrialists’ organization.

“The difficulty,” he added ruefully, “is in finding a shared understanding of the rules of the game.”

Prato’s streets have slowly become more and more Chinese, as the Chinese have bought out Italian-owned shops and apartments, often paying in cash. Public schools are increasingly filled with Chinese pupils.

Hypocrisy abounds. “The people in Prato are ostriches,” said Patrizia Bardazzi, who with her husband has run a high-end clothing shop in downtown Prato for 40 years. “I know people who rent space to the Chinese and then say, ‘I don’t come into the center because there are too many Chinese.’ They rent out the space and take the money and go to Forte dei Marmi,” she added, referring to the Tuscan resort town.

A short walk past the city’s medieval walls, past the cathedral with Filippo Lippi’s Renaissance frescoes, lies Via Pistoiese, the heart of Prato’s Chinatown. Here, shop signs in Chinese and Italian advertise wedding photography, hardware, electronics and gambling parlors.

Outside a supermarket selling foodstuffs imported from China, an electronic job board flashes a running ticker of garment-industry jobs.

The work — long hours at sewing machines — takes place in back-room workshops with makeshift sleeping quarters. The heart of the “fast fashion” sector is an industrial area on