>>87568
It's too exhausting to complain about the same thing appearing in EVERY episode. That's why hate watching communities only pop up for things that continue to find new ways of being bad rather than being the same sort of bad each week.

>>87581
So instead you complain about your own complaints? That really takes whining to a whole new level.

>>87582
Wait, what, did you look at what it was replying to? This is just observing.

This show is leaving me confused in many different regards.

The first two episodes did nothing for me and I stopped watching like 5 mins into episode 3 and never picked it back up.

I've been pondering if I should pick this shit up again but ... here's the thing.

On one hand: everything I've seen/heard of/absorbed through osmosis about this show? Has just made me go "Wow this sounds TERRIBLE. I am glad I abandoned this shit"

But on the other hand: People keep talking about it and apparently like it enough and I haven't SEEN any of this shit so maybe I'm in the wrong for making these assumptions and it's actually much better than I think?

But on the OTHER other hand: Every time I see people talking about this show the nicest thing I hear people can say is "It's alright despite the bad stuff" and nothing about how the bad stuff works or makes the series more effective. All I see are people talking about the side characters and either dancing around the main issues or making funny gifs.

On the other other OTHER hand: Maybe that's just because the negative minority is just loud and painting the series more bad than it is?

But on the other other other hand, still another and another and another hand: I saw the clip of Satsuki and her mom and well...

I kinda see where the people who dropped the series at that point are coming from. There's a number of ways to frame a scene of sexual abuse in such a way that presents it as being what it is. Either emphasizing the trauma of the matter or presenting the whole thing as objectively as possible and thus slapping you in the face with the reality of the situation. I THINK the latter is what they might've hopefully (I hope I hope I HOP) they were going for but because it's animation that kind of thing doesn't work too well especially taken in context of the rest of the series. It gives us blatant silly fan-service and tells us not to take it so seriously and that nudity is alright but then it throws in sexual abuse and suddenly it wants us to think about it and suddenly we're not sure how to take it.

Also I read that the nudity in the series was about the moral that one should love their own body... and while I'd be lying if I said I couldn't see how one could construe that from the plot. I am of the opinion that such a moral is A BIT UNDERMINED when most if not all of your characters are flawlessly skinned kawaii anime schoolgirls or hunky bishonens with ripped pecks and 6 packs.

BUT I'll admit I'm still mostly ignorant to the series so I suppose I'm kinda stuck. Do I ignore these initial feelings of apprehension I have and plow through the series in a mad dash to form an opinion on it, even if I just get more angry and disappointed? Or do I just let it go and wait for Jojo Part 3 or something to come along and take my mind off this?

>>87591

Here, I'll just say it: the show is good, even if it's treading on dangerous ground a lot of the time. If you watch the gifs of Ragyou feeling up Satsuki without context it would be easy to associate it with the fanservice that runs through the rest of the show, but in context it's clearly not. Fanservice in Kill la Kill is a joke; from Senketsu's incredibly stripperrific combat mode to Mikisugi's glowing gun penis, it's a rowdy parody of anime sexualization. It's funny, and it's supposed to be funny.

Ragyou feeling her daughter up is not funny. It's very clearly part of an ongoing power play between them, and is intended to shame her and keep her under control. It is Ragyou reminding Satsuki that she belongs to her completely and there is nothing she can't do to her.

Visually it may resemble simple titillation and pornography - and, okay, much like Japanese nerds jerked it to Ayanami Rei despite Gainax's attempts to render her the anti-waifu, the overtones will certainly be lost on a portion of its audience - it isn't just that and it serves a purpose outside of titillation.

But really, if you're that on the fence about it, just watch a few more episodes. If it's not for you it's not for you, but the first two episodes are some of the series' weakest.

>>87592

>Ragyou feeling her daughter up is not funny.

I never thought it was or was framed to be.

It WAS however framed in an incredibly creepy and perverted manner that was winking at the audience and telling them 'yea you like this don't you'. It doesn't matter what Satsuki's mom is as a character or if it's something that makes sense for her to do.

My issue isn't with the characterization but rather how the series treats or frames the subject. It's going to rather dark territory here that's in a cultural context far more real and authentic than the Anti Spiral waxing on about how evolution is going to destroy the universe or Lord Genome making animal people to control and subjugate humanity. It's something that would require a real and delicate touch in order to successfully transition from it's funny playful winking nature into something that is really and truthfully vile and reprehensible at a basic human level.

I saw the clip on youtube. I listened to the music that played. The voice clips they used. The way it was drawn and animated. I don't think the show framed it well at all. And framing is an important part of constructing ANY series or movie. How you PRESENT an argument or a character or a topic or a discussion or a theme is as important as the theme itself. So yes I do recognize everything people have said about the scene, I understand the context of Satsuki's mom and her relationship. I acknowledge it's a power play she has going on. I recognize the anime might even want us to think it's sick and wrong.

I DO NOT however think the anime had the artistic or writing chops to translate that 100%. Even if they did something as simple as HINTING to sexual abuse rather than blatantly shoving it in our face, or having the style become slightly more twisted, disturbing and distorted during the scene it would've helped make that point more apparent. But as is? It's just making itself look skeevy, and worse: it's making itself seem insincere about the whole thing.

My opinion on matters like this is: if you're REALLY GOING TO GO THERE make sure you know EXACTLY what you're doing and know just when to stop and to hold off on that. Even if you can justify WHY this is there, you still need to recognize that it needs to be pulled off well... and I don't think it pulled it off well. Having your series go from silly sexual adventures into straight on 'I Spit on your Grave' territory is going to not be easy no matter what and I don't think KlK was the anime that needed to go there.

>>87593

And what I'm saying is that in the context of the series, it was a jarring shift because of it's unfunnyness. In a series so saturated with tongue-in-cheek sexuality, here comes a scene played completely straight. Think back to the reactions to it when it first aired; some people thought it was offensive, some people were jerking off, but mostly the reaction was one of confusion; they didn't know what to make of it. And that is the clearest sign of the break with normalcy you're looking for.

Really though, watch it or don't.

The fanservice in KLK isn't a parody of anything, it's just fanservice. A lot of it is played for laughs but that doesn't make it some grand breakdown of fanservice like some like to portray it as (nevermind that whole business about "it's all about accepting your body!" which is 100% pure horseshit), it just makes it yet another raunchy anime comedy (and not exactly a great one but that's besides the point), which is not exactly new territory for the director that brought us "sniper lady who spends whole show in bikini" and "Hi I'm Panty, I like to have sex with men!"

As far as Ragyo goes, yeah that's also fanservice. I'm not going to say you can't go there, especially with your villain, because that's a pretty god damn good way to make the audience hate your villain! But there is a way to do it without spending half the time with the camera lovingly lingering on Satsuki's ass/o-face.

If all of that is the sort of thing that turns you off a series, then you should honestly not bother with KLK. I keep watching because I do honestly love Imaishi's talent as an actual artist (I have complaints about KLK's style in places but it manages to look pretty great most of the time despite having no budget), it does manage to have its great moments of comedy/action, and because I really like Gamagori. But if by episode, say, 7, you aren't enjoying yourself? You aren't going to.

>>87595

You say that like a Panty & Stocking wasn't a parody. An affectionate one, to be sure, but it most definitely was. Most good parodies are similarly affectionate.

Biggest gripe I've got is the compression. But things are keeping pace that its a small gripe at this point, hope it ends well enough.

>>87595
You can indulge in something and still be a parody of it at the same time. Yeah it's fanservice, but it's done with a wink. I don't think it's enough to to avoid feeling a little gross or misogynistic, but they definitely are mining the T&A more for laughs than actual wankbait at least part of the time.

>>87599
Thing is that "here is a shot of Ryuko's butt" isn't a parody, it's just straight up going for it. There are jokes about the nudity and sexuality stuff but they come almost entirely from Aikuro and Gamagori.

But hey, obviously none of it bothers me enough to stop watching the show, I just think the show'd be better if it didn't have that stuff (or at least handled it differently), particularly all that shit with Ragyo.

>>87610
You liking the show more != the show being better.

>>87610
>Thing is that "here is a shot of Ryuko's butt" isn't a parody, it's just straight up going for it.
Sometimes going for something so blatantly is in and of itself a source of humor. c.f. all of the fanservce in Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei. Yes, it's honest-to-goodness fanservice. But it's also so goddamned gratuitous that it's obvious it's supposed to be making you laugh.

>>87613
But is that what they're doing here? Saying it can be done doesn't mean that's the case with this show. Personally, I don't get that vibe from KLK. It feels like a show with gratuitous amounts of fanservice that found a way to write that fanservice into the plot. Just because they give a reason to include a lot of fanservice doesn't mean they're trying to parody the fact that other shows don't. That's not how parody works.

>>87612
Because there's an absolute measure for what makes a show good or bad that goes beyond what individuals or groups of people think of it.

>>87614

I absolutely think that's what they're doing here. The fanservice in Kill la Kill is so absurd, the outfits so ridiculous, and so much attention drawn to their ridiculousness, that I can't see it any other way. Maybe for the first few episodes it was somewhat ambiguous, but after the tone was clearly set, all doubt was erased.

Plus, I mean, these guys aren't Jim Fucking Balent. They like their fanservice but something like Senketsu or Junketsu are not their style. Yoko might have worn a bikini top and short shorts, but those are actual pieces of clothing people wear. Panty & Stocking was a raunchy sex comedy, but their outfits in and out of angel form were functional - if sexualized - clothing.

Senketsu and Junketsu are on a whole different level. I mean you only have to glance at them casually to tell that they would fall right off unless taped down. For fuck's sake, they're smaller than the underwear their owners wear under them, you can't tell me that they weren't designed to be deliberately ridiculous.

In other Studio Trigger news:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-03-11/trigger-makes-anime-of-inou-battle-in-the-usually-daze-comedy-novels

Con season is a-startin'. Can't wait to see reams-upon-reams of ladies dressed up in the sexy KLK costume of their choice.

>>87618
Over-the-top does not equate to parody. Your argument is based on some pretty big assumptions about what they would do based solely on what they have done in the past. There's no basis for the notion that the limit of what they would do in the name of fanservice is set in stone. The excessive fanservice in KLK could be just that: excessive fanservice.

>>87621
This argument is going in circles, so let's make it easy:

I find the "fanservice" in KLK more amusing than arousing. Other people agree. The way it is presented leads me to believe that this is intentional, but whether it is or not is irrelevant--this is 2014, we're well past post-modernism and "death of the author." Intent is irrelevant. Only the result matters.

Incidentally, I've never made the point that it's parody even though I think it's supposed to be comedic, because I'm not sure that word really applies here. "Farce" is probably a better word for what I think of the fanservice in KLK as.

>>87620
All I want to see is at least one Takarada handing out printed-out zeni and chocolate coins.

>>87623
That would be excellent.

I wonder how long until the first DTR cosplay, where the legs sticking out the back are fake (and, ideally, inflatable or collapsible in some way) and the wearer actually walking. Dunno how they'd do the ostrich bend, though.

OR, if someone is fit and also handicap, they could probably make something (still with fake legs out the back) that would roll around.

>>87619
The concept sounds interesting, but the art isn't giving me much hope.

Meanwhile...

>>87651
I get everyone else but who is Elmer Fudd supposed to be? He could've been Mako's dad or something.

...
Does it count as incest if the artist made the doujin before we knew Satsuki and Ryuuko were sisters?

>>87651
According to the artist, just a random NUDISTO BEACHU member.

>>87656
Yes.

But that just improves it.

I feel like they missed out on a Marvin the Martian joke.

>>87651
This all works disturbingly well.

>>87661
but then you imagine granma rapping bugs and Daffy and it's suddely SO WRONG

Holy shit this fucking episode is fucking amazing. I pity the fools that don't know german/italian/spanish and have to wait for daiz.

>>87663
From the artist's Q&A regarding this picture:

>Are we to imply that Granny…?
>Imply what you will. I've been dead on the inside since I drew her as Ragyo.

FUN!

http://michaelmayne.deviantart.com/art/Thurrender-to-Thethe-Truths-439775954

>>87666
Should have picked Queen of Mars since she has a creepy psychotic relationship with Daffy anyway

So we got our Venom reference, our Iron Man reference, our Juggernaut reference, and our Wolverine reference. And now I guess this is the Doc Oc reference?

THE RETURN OF FIGHT CLUB MAKO!

This episiode! I literally cannot stop cumming!

So in the chances we get a Dub, who gets to be who.

>>87671
>mfw

>>87682
I was kind of disappointed they just switched her from threat to angry sore loser bitch. That's one cliché I expected trigger would avoided.

>>87683
Nui is awful, she is long overdue for death.

Nui's got some pretty great ragefaces.

This was a pretty awesome episode, but then >>87671 happened and I completely lost it.

>>87684
It's not satisfying when something threatening just become angry and stupid a minute before losing and dying. It's like Bleach and sternritter, They fall at their lowest instead of highest, It's not memorable or anything, it just serves to suck the protag's dick and artificially make it cool like in a bad Political cartoon.

>>87688
This isn't before though? It's after, she becomes angry and loses control because she's no longer the peak who can do whatever the fuck she wants. She got humiliated and mauled by somebody that's supposed to be her plaything. It's exactly what she did to Ishiin, only this time Ryuuko's strong enough to survive the tantrum.

>>87688

That's not the problem with the Sternritter. The problem with the Sternritter is that with almost no exceptions, every time one is defeated, he goes LET ME SHOW YOU MY TRUE POWER and then narratively we have to start all over again. Every fucking fight goes the same: Person A is getting their ass kicked, Person B intervenes and defeats the Sternritter, but then they go all Super Sternritter and person B gets punked, so now Person C has to step in.

It's boring as hell and it's just fucking dumb. It doesn't help that holy shit, there's so many of them so unlike in previous arcs, we can't even gauge how long we're going to be stuck in Pointless Side Fight Purgatory by how many of the enemy are dead.

But the problem isn't that they get pissed off when they go Super Sternritter. The problem is that Super Sternritter is fucking boring.

i just

i fukken love Satsuki and the Elite Four so much guys you don't even know

>>87692
Who doesn't love Satsuki. Great if at the end she just goes to treating Ryuko like the kid sister that was always there. Love that was part of her motivation being vengeance for the sister that was never even named.

>>87693
Satsuki is still too "better than you" at the moment with ryuko imo. They need to break the ice more, Probably with ryuko yelling at her calling her "oneeeeeechaaaan" at some point, or maybe some comedic humiliation in front of everybody where she start to get mad then they burst in laughter together.

>>87697
Ryuko being a cocky ass after defeating the big bad and Satsuki cracks her in the head with her sword pommel telling her that isn't proper behavior for her sister. Everyone is silent then Ryuko just rubs her head and smiles.

>>87697
"Better than you?" Did you miss the scene where she bowed to Ryuko and asked for her help? And then sat down and had a picnic with Mako? I think she's about as humble as she's going to get right now.

>>87700
>Did you miss the scene where she bowed to Ryuko and asked for her help?

That's my issue actually. While her bonding with mako seemed fine, she's still extremelly formal toward ryuko. you don't bow down to your siblings. They both still have some way to go before being "officially" sisters. Probably gonna get better as the fight goes, I have no doubt about that.

>>87711
Umm, I think that's just her personality, she's just really, really formal.

>>87712
I'm guessing most of her upbringing was in the hands of Soroi, which is why she's so formal.

Awww he has Mako Croquettes

Awww, hugs.

/a/ drawfags are the best!

>>87716
And hugs you shall receive.

>>87719
Ryuko is getting there, she just has a hard time with getting the familial love thing being a boarding school tough for most her life. I'd like to see their stuff pan out like I want Karai to in the current turtles. They don't change much but they become closer as family.

>>87682

Ah, excellent, a bride worthy of Abaddon appears!

Given the amount of Marvel references we've already seen in this show, I want to see Gamagori/Mako pull out the fast ball special so hard you don't even know!

Jinkietsu!

http://www.animemaru.com/kill-la-kill-creators-admit-to-using-pixiv-for-ideas/

Well...

action packed episode with relevant Mako. Really just there to set up the finale, though.

GOD
DAMN

THAT WAS PURE UNADULTERATED HYPE

MY BODY WAS NOT READY

>those Ultimate Three Star Uniforms

I hope everybody remembered to stay for the credits and after credits.

>Inumuta Graphics

I really loved everyone contributing to the final fight. Excellent, excellent stuff.

>>87775
I love how the uniforms have gotten increasingly streamlined and Kamui-inspired. Shows they put some thought into the progression of Iori's designs.

Wonder if the Starch Bullet will come back into play, I don't think they ever fired the thing.

>>87781
Agreed, I just wish the guys' costumes exposed a bit of ass or something to sort of even the playing field a bit.

Also this was a really cute moment.

>>87782
Maybe not, this show is pretty badly written

>>87782
I'm pretty sure the ship missiles that got shot down were those.

>>87785
Did you even read the post before you replied? Or watch the show?

Tsumugu has been getting fucked over pretty much constantly for awhile now.

He's turned into such a pointless character, he might as well not exist.

>>87787
Final Hero of the show his starch bullet stun locks Ragyou just long enough for the sisters to do a double cut finisher, though he dies from finishing off Nui.

>>87787
Seriously. He's not even good for comic relief like Aikuro is. He's basically the series Renji, plus with the fun but admittedly careless writing job they never explained why he could hear Senketsu in episode 5.

>>87789
Speaking of Aikuro alongside Tsumugu it has to be mentioned that Nudist Beach's DTR's have been pretty worthless too.
Heh, remember how Aikuro gave off the impression of a potential badass before all the reveals? If he had intervened when it seemed he would have before then he'd have just gotten pasted.

>>87790
I argue that the show is highly compressed and ends with a lot of threads flipping about.

for a story about fabric, kill la kill is pretty weakly woven, isn't it

>>87792
Eh I see it more as moving too fast to be a finely made garment, something I fear for LoK as well.

I've apparently lost my 4chan folder and all reaction faces, so I have no way to properly express how absolutely hype I was during that episode.

>>87792
Did Ragyo play the same games with her 'niece' that she did with her daughters?

>>87800

I saw that as just her cutting loose after having to be all polite and respectful around the old bitch for so long, but I won't discount the possibility. What a horrible woman.

>>87806
Oh I'm waiting for at least one of those teacups to break.

That was Ms.Satsuki second favorite cup

>>87800
I don't think so. but I could see her do that in front of her with satsuki, as some sort of twisted ntr shit.

There's no fucking way this doesn't end with X-Strike.

No.
Fucking.
Way.

Did they ever explain why Bakuzan is able to cut Life Fibers or is it just something it does? There's way too much in this show that's not super important but I wish they would follow up on at least in the supplemental material.

>>87825

Literally last episode.

>>87822
DOUBLE X CUT FINAL SEVER!!!

>Hearing the rap portion of Before My Body is Dry for the first time

Oh...oh my. That really is quite bad.

>>87733

If Ryuko's gonna steal moves from Jojo I guess Joseph makes a lot of sense. He likes to pick fights and his clothes are sometimes this close to being like kamuis.

>>87842
None of the rap in the OST is good, though.

And That's That, I guess.