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225338 No. 225338
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So who did they kill?
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>> No. 225339
Julie-Su or Geoffrey most likely
>> No. 225341
"But, why Sonic"
"She wasn't with us anymore Tails, there wasn't anything we could have done to bring her back."
"But we could have tried Sonic."
"No Tails. she was lost. Doomed to be an OC."
"Yea, it was more merciful to end this now then to let her suffer such an indignity."
>> No. 225344
I wanna ask you a question.
When you came pullin' in here, did you notice a sign out in front of my palace that said, "Dead Echidna Storage"?
Did you notice a sign out in the front of my palace that said "Dead Echidna Storage"?!
You know why you didn't see that sign?
'Cause it ain't there, 'cause storing dead echidnas ain't my FUCKING business, that's why!
>> No. 225370

I can totally see Ian making that reference if he can find a place for it someday. "Dead badnik storage" or something.
>> No. 225422
According to regular /co/, during Ian's Sonic streaming session he mentioned that Knux's new girlfriend mentioned in the newest Universe issue is an OC, and that Penders has threatened to sue if Scourge is ever used in the comic ever again.
>> No. 225423

That makes that whole debate about Scourge being a reprint cover last thread kinda silly doesn't it?
>> No. 225424
Gotta love the internet's version of telephone.

ME: "There's a new friend for Knuckles coming up."

No. There is no romantic interest between Knux and the new character.
>> No. 225425
I think they were just being cheeky.
>> No. 225426
/co/ was being snarky.
People reading /co/...yeah.

Not really, since the entire debate was one guy saying "Hey it looks like Archie thinks Scourge is safe to use on covers maybe" and another guy going "HE'S NOT SAFE IN THE COMICS THOUGH STOP ASSUMING."
>> No. 225428
Probably because there can't be due to mandates.
>> No. 225430
'Cause Knuckles only has eyes for Sonic~

Mandates that we know very little about. We get some specific info and general hints and fill in some blanks, but what is and is not absolute is not known to us.
>> No. 225434
>and that Penders has threatened to sue if Scourge is ever used in the comic ever again.

>> No. 225435
Can someone please tell Mav to shut his goddamn mouth and stop blabbing everything he hears on 4chan to every corner of the net? Especially when it's someone who works at Archie semi-anonymously telling people stuff about the legal situation they probably aren't supposed to? Could you stress that going and asking HEY KEN IS IT TRUE YOU'LL SUE ARCHIE IF THEY USE SCOURGE CUZ I HEARD YOU THREATENED TO DO THAT on the man's forum is absolutely retarded? Could you also stress that there are other ways of doing this that aren't incredibly stupid, like just asking what kind of usage of "Evil Sonic" he would consider infringements of his rights in a thread that already exists for discussing that character?

Because I half expect him to say "Well you say that, BUT I HEARD IAN SAID YOU'D SUE." as if he had the discretion of a 12 year old.
>> No. 225446
It was on a stream chat. Can't really source that.
>> No. 225447
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For fuck's sake
>> No. 225449
I sent a pm
>> No. 225450
Uh, that wasn't Mav? It was me, this Anon right here.
>> No. 225451
He's talking about on Penders' message board.
>> No. 225452
Oh wait you're talking about what he did on Ken's forum, not here. Christ.
>> No. 225453
Well it's a little too little too late right now. But I think I'll bow out from Penders' forum now.
>> No. 225457
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While I can agree that Mav has about as much tact and restraint as a bull in a China shop (sorry Mav but you have, like, zero tact or restraint), this was about as big a secret as "Ken is short for Kenneth".

Seriously? Ken told everyone ages back that he was laying claim to a list of characters, and "Evil Sonic" is on that list. Then he clarified that he considered Scourge to be Evil Sonic. We knew this. We talked about this. A lot. And I know some people kept going "but there's no way Ken'd actually do anything about Scourge... surely... there's just no way..." but when Ian indicated that Ken might make a fuss over Scourge, he was showing tact and restraint by not adding "a-durr. Haven't you been paying attention?" at the end.
>> No. 225459

A lot of people still seem to be in the denial phase of acceptance.

They will likely remain there for a couple years.
>> No. 225460
Tact and restraint is for pussies anyway.
>> No. 225462

Blabbing is something this entire little community struggles with, no need to zero in on Mav for this one.
>> No. 225463

I just feel bad for the poor hogglesnog. He'd been having a rough year even before his wife got obliterated by Ken the Tasmanian.
>> No. 225489
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>'Tilda and Uncle Beauregard confirmed for "Nope.jpg"
>Displeasure level: Maximum
>> No. 225490
Was this confirmed somewhere?
>> No. 225491
>Anon: "I'm a bit confused as to who came up with Beau, I think he was mentioned before Ian took over, but he never showed up till after Ian. I wonder who is credited with his creation"
>Ian: "The idea of an Uncle Beau for Bunnie came before me."

That's all that was said. Ian also said in the same thread that he "can't/won't confirm/deny cut content". This really is getting like a game of telephone. Ian just explaining something we already know AFTER saying he's not confirming anything cut isn't evidence one way or the other. Hell, even if Ian was breaking his rule to throw out a hint, nothing's stopping Gallagher from just calling up Archie one day and saying "Have Beau."
>> No. 225492
It wasn't. Someone over at Stadium relayed info on a comment from Ian that may or may not have even meant anything (see above), and everyone took that to mean Beau's definitely gone. And apparently the anon above you decided to throw in Matilda for good measure even though she wasn't even mentioned.
>> No. 225496
Denial: Not just a river in Sandopolis Zone.

Ian was asked about Uncle Beauregard and Matilda reappearing. No reply. He was asked again about Uncle Beauregard specifically, and when he'd return. No reply. Lastly he was asked who came up with Uncle Beauregard and he replied "Gallagher".

This "well maaaaaybe they're okay to use..." thinking is why it took us so damn long to accept that Scourge is gone. Gallagher dropped the name Uncle Beau, Penders came up with the idea of Mighty's sister. It'd be nice if Archie felt inclined to lean toward them being new characters Ian created, but it doesn't look like that's how they're tilting. Maybe that'll change, but for now the characters look to be just as screwed as all the others.
>> No. 225497
Same anon you're replying to here.

Just to be clear, I do think that unless something changes down the line (like Gallagher stepping up if he hasn't already behind the scenes), Beau is probably gone right now, and given the Penders stuff with Matilda, she's even less likely to be around.

I'm not trying to be all "DON'T WORRY GUYS THEY STILL EXIST". I'm just saying that what Ian said in that other thread wasn't confirmation of a damn thing. That guy up there and people on other boards are acting like Ian confirmed it outright.
>> No. 225498
It's the closest thing to a confirmation he's legally allowed. I'm not saying I approve of people going around saying "Ian literally said they can't be used!" but it's definitely fair to say that his comments look like they confirm the characters can't be used.

All we can do is try to move on as best as we can, while continuing to tell Archie that we do want them to try to work some deal out with any old creators they can (probably won't make a difference, but there's no harm in trying).
>> No. 225499
>> No. 225500
I bet Ian can't wait until five years from now when people are still going to keep asking about every single character that hasn't shown yet and he can't tell them whether they're just shelved because he didn't want to mess with it (or mess with it /yet/) or if they're just a lost cause.

I bet he can't wait for ten years from now when people are still asking and there's still no way to make them shut up.

I'm sure future writers will appreciate their employers shifting the responsibility of dealing with this shit on them for the rest of the comic's life.
>> No. 225501
Release a fucking statement

problem solved
>> No. 225503
>Release a statement

And admit there's a problem? lolno.

All we can do is keep writing in, expressing displeasure, and indicating that we'd be more likely to buy things if they were able to get back any old creators' characters whatsoever. Of course it will likely have about as much an effect on Archie as spitballs on a battleship, but you never know. Drunk Archie editors and legal dept employees might run into a drunk Karl Bollers at a convention one day. Stranger things have happened.

Like this whole ordeal for one thing...

Oh and keep in mind there's not a damn thing Ian can do that he's not already doing. I'm sure every time he has a reasonable opening (if such things even exist) he politely coughs and indicates that it'd be great if anything could be done.
>> No. 225505
Can people really not connect the dots. It's obviously, and clearly, Tiara that Knuckles is talking about. CONNECT THE DOTS, PEOPLE
>> No. 225507
You wanna bet cash money on that, anon?
>> No. 225511
If by 'bet cash money', you mean 'bribe you to ensure my waifu's addition to the cast', then yes.
>> No. 225513

From TonightsConductor on /v/'s sonic marathon
>> No. 225514
I just realized that we basically have no chance of getting a Slackerjak reference in the comic now. They'll never reference Enerjak again, so there won't be opportunity to spin it into a joke.

>> No. 225515
I wanna bet cash money that it's Dulcy or a new character.
I accept debit and credit if you're short, friend.
>> No. 225519
Is that.... is that Jim Cummings?
>> No. 225522
It seems so.
>> No. 225527
That would be a safe bet since he outright said it's a new character.
>> No. 225534
Can someone tell me what OP is an image of?
>> No. 225535
And by that I mean what it's parodying.
>> No. 225537
Pulp Fiction
>> No. 225539
Posting this until its canon

>> No. 225542
>Implying it's not already canon.
Roll cares deeply for her bro. They're great friends.
I'd tell you to stop being lewd, but Ian gave Ice Man a crush on Roll so everything's fair game.
>> No. 225543
No, CAPCOM gave Ice Man a crush on Roll.
>> No. 225545
They did?
I was pretty sure they made him a spazoid who thinks he's multiple soldiers in an imaginary war.
Point is that there's already a precedent.
I'm not sure there's any idea about Mega Man that irks me more than the "Only Blues, Rock, and Roll count as family" idea for the Light Robots.
>> No. 225547

Battle and Chase.
>> No. 225550
>I'm not sure there's any idea about Mega Man that irks me more than the "Only Blues, Rock, and Roll count as family" idea for the Light Robots.

Well... sorry? That's the angle Capcom came up with. The ones programmed to think and act like actual robot kids think of themselves as siblings. The ones programmed for other things do acknowledge a sort of link, they're kinda-sorta family or comrades or something, but Splash Woman doesn't think of Mega Man as her older brother or anything.

>They did?

They did.
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They did
>> No. 225552
>That's the angle Capcom came up with.
Pretty sure "they're not as close" =/= "they're not really considered part of the family at all". There's kind of a big difference between Guts Man not being treated like Mega Man's literal brother and the idea that Guts is just some guy and Light gives about as much of a shit about him as he does any other doctor's RMs.

I mean, you said it yourself. "Kinda family". The source material seems to go with the idea of them being relatively close but not siblings per-se.
>> No. 225554
People in this thread arguing Dr. Light doesn't give a shit about Guts Man = the same number of pages in the comic showing Dr. Light doesn't give a shit about Guts Man = 0

Blues, Rock, and Roll are Dr. Light's "kids" and think of themselves as siblings. The others... probably look at one another like a clan or something. There's definitely a bond there, and loyalty, but if Ice Man has a crush on Roll that's cool. Not a problem.
>> No. 225558
...I never said people in this thread were arguing that or that the comic does that.
I just mentioned that the idea that the Light Bots just aren't part of the family because they're more distant than the core members is probably one of the most annoying things I hear when people are discussing Classic Mega Man. I see it every once in a while and it's just disheartening.
>> No. 225559
In the end, they are all robots. Any since of love or family ties is limited to their programming and learning experiences. The Robot Masters spend most of their time at their work stations, while Mega and Roll spend it with each other at home.

Would you feel as attached to a family member you see every day compared to one you see every few times every other month?

On that same note; Iceman is the more emotional than other MM1 robots; and Roll is the Smurfette of the series so...
>> No. 225570
Friends are people you pick. Family are the people you're stuck with. Sorry to sound like a motivational poster. But no, they're not "related".
>> No. 225590
>no, they're not "related".
Meanwhile, on the other end of the internet that very same day--
>Paul Kaminski: ...Mega Man is surrounded by family: Dr. Light, his sister Roll, his Robot Master brothers-in-arms– even a pet dog!

They're more "Framily" than family, but I thought it was kind of funny that an interview where Paul calls them "family" goes up as soon as someone says they aren't a family.
>> No. 225601
He called them "brothers-in-arms" - effectively like soldiers from the same platoon, or beat partners on the police. Folks who have created a close, family-like bond.

Not that I'm correcting you, Anon, just making sure to be extra clear because - y'know - INTERNET. But, yeah, the timing of that is uncanny.
>> No. 225602

I was saying they were family.
>> No. 225605
I assumed people would get that from the very deliberate choice to not use "siblings" and the fact that Ice Man has a thing for Roll, but you're right, internet.

I entirely misread your post then. Sorry.
>> No. 225627
What do you think of Roll's crush on "Mega"?
>> No. 225636
This appears to be set in green hill zone. Comic adaption when?

>> No. 225643
Nigga that's Emerald Hill.
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I've been without internet for a very long time up until this point and I just want to ask, this is a Metal Gear Rising Reference right? I swear I've seen Raiden cut up Metal Gear Ray exactly like what Zero is doing here.

I'm sure it's been discussed before, just curios.
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Doubt it was intentional.
>> No. 225677
>> No. 225680
They're really dead set on making sure nobody reads that Origins comic, huh?
>> No. 225681
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Something that may be of interest: A bunch of covers have been edited on Comixology to feature credits on the cover, including reprints.

More specifically, only comics with "Knuckles" in the title.
>> No. 225682
What? It's in several places, including the FCBD. Why would you think they're dead set on nobody reading it?
>> No. 225684
According to Midtown, it's been pushed back for a third week into 4/15. They've been pushing it back a week each week.
I was being a smartass, don't take things so literally.

On the other hand, they updated the cover on Google Books...very subtly. I only noticed because I checked a link to it earlier this morning and again later in the day.
>> No. 225689
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>> No. 225718
I'm always glad to see creators having their work clearly marked. It's just too bad that getting that clear marking took so much... unpleasantness.
>> No. 225720
Several of the edited KtE covers were cropped and/or otherwise had the new credits covering up Spaz and Penders' signatures. Only reprint lines that contain Penders work have been changed to add names to the front. All reprints that contain any contribution from Ken have his name as the first and one of the three most prominent on the cover, no matter how little he actually contributed to the collection of stories inside.

Is it good that creators are getting a bit more credit? Yeah, sure.
Is it good that they're basically spreading misinformation by propping Ken's name the most, essentially underselling the contributions of others? Not really.
It's also not super great that their names are only being put on books like Selects and Archives instead of the magazines and digests. You know, where it would actually make sense to put them on the cover. And putting them on digital copies of individual copies of Knuckles when the digital copies have the original credits inside and list the credits when you go to buy the books? It's..a bit redundant.
>> No. 225730

Thanks for the clarification. Hmph. Sounds... petty. Or, depending on who initiated this, going overboard in ass-covering.
>> No. 225732
Considering that they've only done it for books Ken would care about and haven't done it for things he wouldn't (the Sally minis, the individual Sonic issues, that one Saga book that contains a story he inked), it looks more like appeasement than ass covering. We'd be getting this plastered on EVERY cover if it was just ass covering. We'll never know what's really going on, but...

Again, one of the most annoying things is that this is happening to every reprint except the magazines and the digests, where it would actually make sense.
>> No. 225735
Samurai Jack did the same thing to a million Aku bots waaaaaay back in the earl 2000s
>> No. 225743
So is Ian allowed to make his own interpretation of what happened between Classic and X or what?
>> No. 225744
That hasn't really been established if he can or not, just that he doesn't want to.
>> No. 225754
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>Reading Archive of things Ian said
>Rockman and Forte 2 is a no-go according to Capcom

But... but... but........ BEST ROBOT MASTERS?!?!?
>> No. 225755

Can't say I'm surprised since Capcom technically didn't make that game, Bandai did.

Surprised they didn't put the kibosh on it earlier when Ian did Rock of Ages.
>> No. 225756
Except they did. IN the second scene with Quint, he was supposed to be backed up with the R&F2 Robot Masters. It was the only change they asked for in the script.
>> No. 225757

Oh so you were going to combine Rockman Shadow into Quint, wondered if that was going to be the case.
>> No. 225758
>> No. 225765
>IN the second scene with Quint

Wait, so that wasn't Rockman Shadow?
>> No. 225768
I'm having a moment of sadness here.
>> No. 225770

If he can't use the Robot Masters from Rockman and Forte 2 why would he be allowed to use Rockman Shadow who also originated from that game?
>> No. 225773
Probably because, design wise, Quint and Rockman Shadow are interchangeable.

By all accounts, Flynn can adapt the R&F2 game with Quint and bunch of OCs based in those Robot Masters, and nobody would really know the difference.
>> No. 225780

That's too bad. Things can change though, especially in the time it will take to get that far.

We should have a "just buy the rights to allow Ian to cover everything" campaign. If he got ahold of Battle Network I think /m/ would have a joygasm.
>> No. 225781
If you'd want to comment on it, what would their names have been? Komuso Man doesn't translate so well and I could see translating Dangan Man to Bullet Man possibly wouldn't go over great.
>> No. 225785
I honestly hadn't put a whole lot of thought into it by that point since we were still a long way away from even introducing Quint, let alone anything more. And now I no longer have to!
>> No. 225787

You're tearing me apart, Ian!
>> No. 225789
>And now I no longer have to!
What does it mean?

Also, did Capcom not notice Compass Man in Worlds Collide?
>> No. 225790
What color is Sally Acorn supposed to be?
>> No. 225791
I just realized
Black Death = Hank Hill
Eclipse = Bobby
>> No. 225792
He's blacked out entirely. If you didn't know the silhouette you'd never even know it was him.
>> No. 225795
Uh, light brown? Is it so hard to tell?
>> No. 225796
Capcom didn't stop to ask who it was?
>> No. 225799
It's just a tiny background character, they probably didn't even notice.
>> No. 225812
He was in the middle of the panel
>> No. 225822

They've done much more obvious "disallowed" easter eggs in the past. Relax
>> No. 225823
Is that you Mav?
>> No. 225869
As this is the Archie thread we should probably mention Archie getting killed off huh.
>> No. 225871
What, which Archie?
>> No. 225872
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Life with Archie, he gets shot and then they have a couple of issues about those dealing with it. Ends on issue #37
>> No. 225876
>> No. 225877
...uh... well fuck, I just bought a ton of issues on comixology. I was enjoying the book, dammit.
>> No. 225881
>Life Without Archie
>> No. 225899
SPOILERS: Uncle Chuck has Charmy's brain damage now
>> No. 225900
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>> No. 225903
Super Smash bros looks SO shitty, but I'm happy they made that little nod to the fandom
>> No. 225905
The only thing that looks shitty is EXE's model.
>> No. 225907
So the new issue of StH, the new Select, and the new Saga all came out on Comixiolgy at the same time today.
That's sudden.
>> No. 225911
Even as satire, it hurts.

On a positive note: absolutely adore that Final Smash, and I'm super pumped. The whole thing looks gorgeous, and I can't wait for the Wii U release.
>> No. 225916
Have we had recent issues of StH/SU/MM to subscribers in the past few weeks? I know my subscription was coming due, but I thought I had another month left or so. D:
>> No. 225917
I laugh at how Nintendo managed to bring all Mega Man fans together while simultaneously deepening the divide in the Metroid fandom.

(Ian, please never give anyone rocket-powered stiletto heels. Except maybe Eggman)
>> No. 225918
Subscribers are finally getting Mega Man 35 and Sonic Universe 62, but that's only in the last couple of days.
>> No. 225920
Oh shit I forgot I read mega man 35 online like a month ago. I still haven't gotten it
>> No. 225922
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I thought they were longfall boots at first, and who would have objected to them? The problem is that now she's got volleyball boobs.


Who's tying up the rights for EXE and Star Force, anyway? Whose kneecaps do we need to break? I keep forgetting. Big crossover epics are in at Archie, we can totally do this for 2015.
>> No. 225923

>Who's tying up the rights for EXE and Star Force, anyway?

Viz Media they're licensing agreement had no expiration date.
>> No. 225924
Wow that was pants on head stupid of a deal to make.
>> No. 225925

Is it lucrative for them? Do they have loved ones?
>> No. 225926
Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed her already-impressive bust appears to have expanded.

And I can understand having jump boots, but stilettos? Is Sakurai mad because he can't have Bayonetta in there?
>> No. 225927

Capcom was banking on BN (and later SF) being a long runner, so a long licensing deal probably made sense to them.

Sales didn't support that though.
>> No. 225932
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Oh. My. God the train puns. Thank you Ian. I don't know if I psychically communicated my love of train puns to you or what but WOW. You've just freaked my friends out.
>> No. 225933

The stilettos are a hold over from her Other M design.
>> No. 225939
Thanks. And, speak of the devil, I got them when I got home today!

>acknowledging Other M somehow makes this better
>> No. 225940
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Longfall boots don't really look like high heels - the spring's secured nowhere near the heel in fact - and it's a case of function driving form. They needed Chell to be able to make and survive insane jumps and falls, and designed equipment to let her do it (which isn't that far from real devices). Equipment that was established right at the start with a clear purpose, a fully-integrated and essential part of the gameplay mechanic. With the Samus redesign, Other M gave her high heels for no good reason, and Brawl made them more absurd looking while trying to justify it by saying there's rockets in there. Instead of "they needed her to do something and designed equipment" it's "they wanted her in high heels and tried to justify it". Lame.

The train puns were all right. I would've liked a few more, but diesel do.
>> No. 225948
>Instead of "they needed her to do something and designed equipment" it's "they wanted her in high heels and tried to justify it". Lame.
Yes, how dare they try to take an element from the most recent game, make it into something they think is cool, and try to improve a character that was already bland and pointless by making it part of their gimmick.

Truly, Sakurai is worse than Hitler and is simply sexualizing Samus by taking one of the many stupid aspects of the recent games and trying to do something not-retarded with it. Samus is ruined forever. Smash Bros is ruined forever. Nintendo is ogre.
I don't like that they're high heels instead of boots either, but you guys are being fucking ridiculous.
>> No. 225949
He could have, you know, not used that stupid design.
>> No. 225950
He didn't. He used an aspect of it and reinvented it as a core function to her moveset. He's kind of got a thing about taking nothing characters and giving them new gimmicks.

They look silly as high heels instead of boots, but brand synergy ain't nothin to fuck wit'.
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>Brand synergy
>Other M

It was a disaster for the franchise, splitting the fanbase and leaving the future extremely uncertain. Trying to move past that would be a good idea. Instead they doubled down and made one of the more controversial design changes even more exaggerated. Nintendo isn't over, Smash Bros. isn't ruined, nobody is making those claims. But Samus looks like a twit, and a chance to put some extremely divisive shit behind us was squandered.
>> No. 225953
Hey, I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just saying that they presented a middle ground because they don't want to fuck with their own advertising. I mean, even on the Smash site it directs you to the Other M page.

And having crazy rocket boots that have heels about an inch taller than they should be makes the character look like a twit? What? That's a bit much.
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SEGA doesn't look likely to do more with the Storybook series, but when you think about it, couldn't it be used as a workaround for the Penders multiverse nonsense? "No no, this isn't an alternate timeline where Sonic's a pirate. It's Treasure Island."

She's shorter than she should be, if anything...

Let's agree to not derail the thread.

>> No. 225957
They aren't tiptoeing around the idea of a multiverse because of Penders, Sol Zone's already around. That said, treating a story like that as just an alternate take (with Sonic himself possibly being just Sonic as in the games) rather than an alternate universe is much more appealing.
>> No. 225958

No, that's a different thing. Penders went over that. He's not objecting to other Zones or dimensions, like Sol, he's saying that other timelines belong to him. By his reasoning Blaze is fine, but traveling to another world where they meet Pirate-Sonic is infringing on him.

(It doesn't make a whole lot of sense).
>> No. 225961
>Smash Bros. isn't ruined
Smash Bros is ruined, but not because they decided to make Samus a bimbo
>> No. 225963
Even the basis of his argument makes no sense, because Sonic CD did alternate timelines before Issue 11 ever came out.
>> No. 225965
>By his reasoning Blaze is fine, but traveling to another world where they meet Pirate-Sonic
Which they did. Well, Pirate-Metal Sonic, but still. They clearly aren't taking that particular threat to heart. We probably won't see worlds where they go to Gatchaman-Sonic or Baby-Sonic anymore, but that's more because those parody worlds were really lame than any court nonsense.
>> No. 225967
> Well, Pirate-Metal Sonic, but

No. No "but". It's not an alternate timeline, period. A metal Sonic from Mobius Prime went to Sol, got smashed, and was rebuilt as a pirate. That is not the same thing as "this is a world just like Sonic's, except in this timeline everyone is pirates".
>> No. 225968
That's not really an alternate timeline either, though. Sonic Rush was a world just like Eggman's but everything is pirates and Sonic's a neurotic cat. The changes are bigger and less creatively bankrupt but the concept is the same. I do regret counting Pirate Metal Sonic, I thought it was amusing but he really doesn't count you're right.
>> No. 225975
Ken probably wouldn't raise a fuss over Blaze's being-kinda-sorta-alternate-reality-Sonic, but he there's a good chance he'd make a fuss about Sonic visiting the universe where everyone's a cowboy or whatever.

His insistence that he owns alternate timelines is the basis for his ludicrous claim that he owns Evil Sonic, but if Ian made an Evil Julie-Su, she would belong to Ken too.
>> No. 225980
Uh... the reason people object to putting superheroes in high heels isn't that it makes them taller. They're insanely unbalanced. People fall and sprain/break things while wearing them All. The. Time. They can fuck up your muscles, joints, and bones. They're practically the worst clothing in the world if you're trying to be physically active. Since there's literally no reason to wear them except that some people think they're sexy, and they genuinely do cause real-world problems, when you suddenly put a character in them it sends a message. Considering Samus was originally someone you didn't even know was a woman until the end of the game, people are taking it especially hard that she's being so relentlessly chickified that she's sporting anklebreakers.

The boob-job's definitely a problem too, but the heels aren't nothing, especially when they're being implemented at the same time as the volleyball tatas.
>> No. 225983

Yeah... Japan's really got one thing on their mind.

But this is all having nothing to do with Archie, so maybe we can all whinge on /cog/.
>> No. 225984
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Wait, wait, wait, back the jalopy up, Life With Archie is ending???
>> No. 225985

With the death of Archie, no less!

I wonder how it happens. Overdose? Taking a bullet for Kevin?
>> No. 225987
Healing coma. Calling it now.
>> No. 225988
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But... but... future?
>> No. 225989
You know Jon Gray wrote that one? Ian hasn't written Off Panel in a long time.
>> No. 225990

Crap! You're right.
>> No. 225997
>Uh... the reason people object to putting superheroes in high heels isn't that it makes them taller.
I...never said they did?
The point was that the only real difference is the heel is a bit too high, making them high heels instead of boot heels.
>> No. 226003
So the world gets destroyed every 10,000 years?

Is that supposed to be like a reference to the Xorda?
>> No. 226006
No, it's supposed to be a reference to the game it's obviously adapting.
>> No. 226007
In Sonic Unleashed Dark Gaia and chip (Light gaia) are part of a continuous cycle. When they awaken, Dark Gaia destroys the world and Light Gaia puts it back together. They then slumber another 10,000 years.
>> No. 226010
They never said it was every 10,000 years in the game.
>> No. 226012
In which case, what issue is Life With Archie up to right now.
I take such terrible care of my comics after I've read them I can't find the most recent one I have.
>> No. 226013
Oh that's right it's actually millions of years in Unleashed, isn't it?
>> No. 226015
#34 was out in February. #35 is out at the end of the month.

In looking that up I'm less surprised they're ending Life With Archie. I didn't know issues were being released so randomly. There was a three month gap between #32 and 33.
>> No. 226016
The game implied it's way longer. They probably changed it in the comic because:

1. It's a lot easier to justify them being both a cycle and something that could have feasibly been recorded.
2. It gives less "Death of the Planet" vibes and more "end of a civilization/species/era of life on the planet" vibes.
3. It matters way less when you're off by a few thousand years than when you're off by a few million.
>> No. 226020
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Huh. I remember frequently being upset and worried that my subscription may have lapsed.
I guess there really wasn't anywhere to go after the crisis of infinite archies.
>> No. 226034
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Now that Antoine's muzzle is the same color as his hair, I can't stop seeing Twan as having a perpetual 5'O clock shadow
>> No. 226037
The lack of any color around Ant's eyes is REALLY getting to me.
>> No. 226039
Yeah, same here. I'm still confused as to why Ryan Jampole was hired to redesign the cast, when he had no previous experience with the Sonic Universe. Surely they could've gotten someone who understands the SegaSonic style to redesign the Freedom Fighters and any of returning cast member.

Why on earth was Antoine's fur made brighter? Yeah, okay, so he fits in with the other bright coloured animals on Sonic's World, but his fur colour is way too close to the red on his boots and gloves to the point they nearly blend into each other. His Beta design on the original Countdown to Chaos cover was so much better.

Only problem I have with Rotor is his shoes, they look like he's wearing butts on his feet.

Bunnie's design is nice and simplistic.

I'm just glad they stayed with Bates' Sally and didn't go for the colour choices Jampole had in mind for her, those were AWFUL.
>> No. 226041
I really doubt

A. Any of that's pinpointable to Jampole, or really, anyone, since the designs were done by commission
B. Jampole specifically designed the characters as they are now, since Bates drew them different in the Countdown to Chaos cover
>> No. 226043
Keep in mind that any of the art you see of the redesigns was one part Ryan/Ben, and about ten parts Paul/Vin. I don't know how many parts I quantified as.


MY POINT BEING - alot of the process was "would this work? Draw it for us!"
>> No. 226044
>...doubt that Jampole specifically designed the characters as they are now, since Bates drew them different in the Countdown to Chaos cover

This. It sounds like someone higher up had a last minute change of plans. Also see Nicole's hair-plugs.
>> No. 226045
>Also see Nicole's hair-plugs.

What happened to those anyway?
>> No. 226047
Uhh...like I just said, someone obviously decided to change the new designs at the last minute. Because they were already drawn on the covers before they got changed.
>> No. 226048
It seems like they've generally adopted a "whatever we go with first is what we go with" policy, because Evan mentioned that King Acorn was supposed to have a gray streak but the colorist opted for a single hair color.
>> No. 226053
Evan actually said on Tumblr or DA a while ago that she still draws Nicole with the plug braids, but they always get removed when the inker gets the pages.
>> No. 226054
As if Austin doesn't get enough crap for his semi-lazy inks already.
>> No. 226064
I find it incredibly funny that one of the main justifications for the redesign, that was repeated endlessly before the reboot, was the idea that Mobians having "hair" made the Satam characters stick out like sore thumbs amongst the SEGASonic cast. And the early redesigns addressed that problem.

Antoine's hair was supposed to be turned into Shadow like spikes instead of a mop on his top.

But >>226034 like a bad habit, the artists have clearly reverted to just drawing wigs.

Yet nobody is complaining?
>> No. 226065
File 139735946013.jpg - (147.70KB , 1024x819 , zxa1280_5.jpg )
Maybe it's a copyright issue.
>> No. 226076
>Antoine's hair was supposed to be turned into Shadow like spikes
I don't remember anyone saying that, and none of the previews or concept images we saw ever looked like that. I think you're confusing "turned into Shadow-like spikes" with "being two colors, like Shadow's spines". The point of that probably is to make it look more like the game characters, where you can argue that things like Twan's part is just an alternative take on something like Tail's tuft at the tip of his head, but I don't think anyone ever said anything about making the characters' fur into spines.
>> No. 226082
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No I remember explicitly and repeatedly people were singing the praises, especially of this cover image, for changing the problematic hair into SEGA style shape things. And before then people commonly cited the hair issue as a reason Satam/comic characters didn't look like proper SEGA characters.

You know it was probably a good idea too, making characters look more game like, but I do find it funny that the people using it as a reason the characters old designs were bad/must get a redesign have all mysteriously silenced... as if they didn't really believe it was as bad as they said (or more likely just objected to non game characters period)
>> No. 226090
So how much of an impact do different kind of sales have when buying the X crossover?

Like, does my digital purchase mean less than if I ask a comic shop to order a copy for me? Does buying from Comixology lessen the chances of a Mega Man X book compared to ordering a physical floppy with a variant cover? I generally buy digital releases, and it would suck if my cash has less influence on what gets published and what doesn't just because I'm not dealing with an LCS.
>> No. 226093

I'm actually pretty curious about this too. The current Archie strategy seems to focus only on pushing comic book shop sales.
>> No. 226097

I'm sure some Archie exec is fuming at this very moment how late they've been getting issues shipped the past few months were that the case.

Do we still not know the alternate ending to Sonic Universe 62 on a related note?
>> No. 226098
No, but I'm betting it's the ship crash as seen from within, instead of Knuckle's vantage.

When I first heard them doing that, I thought "alternate" meant "alternate continuity", but now that seems silly and it's probably just an alternate vantage point.
>> No. 226107
of course its not an alternate continuity. It's in the same continuity so you'd waste 7 bucks on something that usually costs you 3.50.

I hope they never do this ever again.
>> No. 226111
If the numbers are noticeably higher they'll start doing it frequently.
Eventually we'll have one every four issues.
Then they'll start a new gimmick and people will say "Oh, holo-foil covers aren't so bad, nobody minds the variants and alternate endings!"
>> No. 226113
Thankfully with the delays any sales higher than normal are pretty much impossible even if it wasn't a stupid gimmick that nobody enjoyed.
>> No. 226116
> It's in the same continuity so you'd waste 7 bucks on something that usually costs you 3.50.

So you're getting a different cover and one different page of content, instead of just a cover. People already blow their money on variant covers.
>> No. 226117
Then maybe she should stop doing it if it's obviously being considered off model.
>> No. 226118
Someone's moody.
Either way, it's been a while since that was said, and we don't know what's going on with that. You have to remember this is the comic where we have fun typos like "Miles Prowler", Shadow's chest tuft was colored gold for well over a year, and a good deal of problems with inkers not actually finishing their jobs before or otherwise altering pages to make their job easier.
>> No. 226120
That kind of stuff has not been common for a long time.
>> No. 226121
You mean like how Tyson Hesse's pencils on Shadow of the Moon show that the inker changed the size of his panels and ignored a few lines to make things easier for himself?
You mean like "E-107 Eta"?
The writer(s) and artists on the Sonic and Mega Man comics are mostly fans in some respect and put a lot of heart and effort into their works. The majority of the letterers and inkers on the books appear to be uninterested and a bit lazy. They don't care. Amash does a pretty good job with his inks most of the time, but the rest tend to be pretty mediocre, with Austin's inks and Workman's letters being the worst. We have spelling errors and unfinished lines in StH rather consistently. To say errors and laziness are "not common anymore" when the primary inker is too lazy to draw CURVES at times and instead draws a series of straight lines with gaps and has been doing this for two years running is outright dishonest.
>> No. 226129
The inker sucking and screwing up the pencils is bad, but it's not the same thing as the penciller putting in details that editorial already decided against for whatever reason.
>> No. 226130
What's wrong with Eta? That was an intentional change.
>> No. 226132
They probably mean how he was called E-107 Eta instead of E-106 Eta by accident in 257.
>> No. 226133
And that's the point.
We don't know what's going on with that. We don't know if that's something editorial decided, or if Austin forgot and they changed it last minute since then and haven't told her, or if it's a "whatever" thing since she's digital and can change her appearance but Austin's being a lazy ass, or whatever. We don't know if that's considered off model or not. Even Rafa's Models, which are supposedly the gold standard, are different from what's been showing up on covers and inside issues when it comes to a few minor details, not to mention weird stuff like Bunnie's magically disappearing/reappearing ring. It's impossible to tell what exactly is going on.
>> No. 226135
People who buy every variant cover are not the same as those who want to collect 100% of the story.
>> No. 226138
Well, the designs showed up on a cover, which means it passed through the pencils, inking, coloring and publishing (for previews). THEN the changes were made. It's not like Terry Austin went and got the near-final version of the cover and changed Nicole and Antoine.
>> No. 226141
What you just said kind of services the idea that Terry could have forgotten to do the braids and they edited the cover to reflect that after the fact, you know? We seriously can't tell what happened here, so we really shouldn't pretend we know why some things were changed between the previews and now.
>> No. 226142
But if it was Terry's mistake, that was several steps before publishing, so you'd think they would have caught it by then if it wasn't intended instead of editing everything later?
>> No. 226144
Considering that we have anecdotal evidence from Evan that things have been changed because they got fucked in production and the idea from higher up was "EH KEEP IT" (Max's hair color), Archie has a history with mistakes making it to print, and that the Nicole part of the cover didn't change (from our perspective) until a month before said issue came out, long after 252 saw print? I'd say it's entirely reasonable that the pages were finished and it was cheaper/easier to just change a cover than to go back and re-ink places where Austin missed the braids. In fact that seems incredibly likely.

And really? Arguing that Archie catches things before print? The company that didn't notice Evan drew Tails Doll as a giant phallus, has these kinds of spelling and coloring errors pretty consistently, and generally can't seem to get its head straight at the moment? You're arguing that THAT company would catch something as minor as hair plugs by the time the colorist or letterer got to the page? Seriously?
>> No. 226148
I am 90% convinced they edited the redesigns because of the 3D render covers. Things like Antoine's head suddenly becoming a mix of Sonic and Tails instead of his own unique thing make it look like that.
>> No. 226151
Oh boy. The credits of the latest Linkara episode announced he's doing another Sonic comic review this summer. Any bets on which one? I can't really see anything other than the Image crossover that he'd even bother with.
>> No. 226154
when he did Sonic Live, he said he might review the crossover at some point.
>> No. 226190
So umm... does Dr. Snively have dwarfism?
>> No. 226191
ah, this is the sonic/megaman archie thread on p/co/, right?

I was told by /co/ to come here remind Ian (if he's here) that a future antagonist, Dr. Weil (MegaMan Zero) is alive during X1 - X5 timespan (He is actually human during those games, but becomes more like his "unable to phsycially die anymore" Megaman Zero self after this timespan because the space colony litterally dropped on top of him - Rememeber, he's only MODIFIED to be functionally completely immortal after Dr.Weil starts Internet fights with elves and brainwashes Zero's original body back into it's Dr.Wily KILL DESTROY MAIM Omega programming, so it's highly likly after X5 he started to become the madman we know from the games - because thats roughly when Zero seals his original body away and gets himself uploaded into the Megaman Zero body - it originally is a exact copy of his specs, but gets modified to look like his Megaman Zero look later during the Omega battle, so they can tell which is Zero and which is Omega), and that having him cameo if the Megaman X comics get off the ground would be a neat touch, if not hopefully outright appear as a background character/anatagonist for Dr. Cain(although I'm not sure if Capcom would be okay with him being specifically talked to without a plan for Megaman Zero comics - stick to cameos to be safe if you have too). Also, Remember that X1 - X5's Sigma war doesn't even last a entire year - all the games take place almost one after another, with maybe a month or so spacing if Sigma gets wrecked too badly by X - so make sure to pace yourself correctly and not blow right through Megaman X too quickly

Again: if it's too late to do anything with this information right now due to it being so close to print, Don't worry - It's just something that would have been really neat to see, and maybe could be done in future issues (fingers crossed for Megaman X's success)
>> No. 226192
That's a good thing to point out and it's something I should keep in mind.

It's also not really an issue right now since we don't have an MMX book. We may never get an MMX book. Sales for "Dawn of X" will be a big deciding factor over whether we get an MMX book.
>> No. 226194
>Sales for "Dawn of X" will be a big deciding factor over whether we get an MMX book.
Which is why it's pertinent to ask: Will the fact that I buy a digital copy instead of a physical copy impact how much sway my purchase has on the creation of an X book?
>> No. 226196
Should I buy double of each book?

SHould I buy the graphic novel
>> No. 226200
of fucking course the alternate ending is better than the non-alternate one.

Fuck you archie
>> No. 226205
I have no idea if one has more weight than the other.

I dunno if double-buying really makes that big of a difference, but waiting for the trade does. Low monthly numbers are what gets decision-making people spooked.

All the endings are canon, but not crucial, and no one is meant to be more shocking/exciting/enticing than the other. I tried to make it as neutral an option as possible. If you find one more appealing than the other, that's personal taste.
>> No. 226207
>HUR DUR Knuckles standing on a rock is as exciting as seeing "SNIVELY CONFIRMED"

yeah, ok.
>> No. 226208
If they don't want trade waiters they should stop putting out trades less than a year after the stories come out. I mean, how are you supposed to say "No consumer, don't just wait a few months to buy a slightly cheaper version of our product with extra content"?

And...I mean, they GET that things like variant covers and dual endings make MORE people trade-wait, right? Ever since variants became the standard I've been trade-waiting. I mean, aside from fear of cancellation, why buy a floppy? For the letters section that doesn't bother to answer kids' questions anymore? The ads?
>> No. 226209
Be fair, for people who don't read solicits it's basically the same thing.
That and Knuckles is a far more enjoyable character.
>> No. 226210
So, Snively's new first name...

is that a "fuck you" to Penders?
>> No. 226211
>Knuckles and space aliens! vs. that tiny guy who was from a cartoon maybe?
All depends on your priorities. Some folks are mad we're bothering to bring Snively back at all.

*shrugs* I don't handle that side of things. I just write.

It's a small nod to SatAM since the "Julian Kintobor" thing didn't happen in the new continuity.
>> No. 226217
I'm not mad about it, but he certainly would have felt redundant if he just went back to being Eggman's lackey after years of pushing him to be his own villain.
>> No. 226218
Thing is we knew Knuckles was coming for months and Eclipse surviving impact was pretty much a given, if you understand anything about the comic book industry.

Snively coming back with a sweet Goatee and a new name was totally not expected.
>> No. 226219
And if you paid any attention to Ian's forum or Twitter you'd know that Snively coming back was basically assured. It's seriously a matter of perspective.

Knuckles finally shows up again, teased a new or returning female character being pretty important to his story, Sky Rail/Pumpkin Hill shows up. For some people, especially casual readers and children, this is far more exciting than Snively showing up with a beard and a new name. I mean, seriously, that's all you're getting out of that Snively page. Beard, name change that doesn't ACTUALLY change anything, and he's at G.U.N. Both endings are just teases and only contain a few details people who follow the series don't already know. Which one you find more important depends on your personal priorities and which details you happened to glean beforehand.
>> No. 226224
Mega Man Zero was re-wrote to fit with Mega Man X6 and later games.
>> No. 226228
>implying Penders came up with that name or the idea of the war.
>> No. 226230
>Also, Remember that X1 - X5's Sigma war doesn't even last a entire year

X2 happens 6 months after 1, X3 happens several months after 2 (due to Dr. Doppler having to make the Neuro Computer to stop Reploids from becoming Mavericks and a few months later X3 happens).

X4 most likely happens sometime in the next year, what with Dr. Cain having to make the Repliforce, and Xtreme 2 having to happen before it, and in X5 I'd think getting a new leader for the Maverick Hunters due to them killing the framed Repliforce would have took some time as well.

What I hope to see is maybe Ian touching more on Signas being a private investigator pre-leader of the Maverick Hunters and/or giving him some cameos, same for Alia and Gate back in their researcher days, and maybe what happened to Douglas after X6.
>> No. 226231
>Signas being a private investigator
I've heard this mentioned a million times but I've never seen a source.
>> No. 226236
I hear it's in the instruction manual of X5, sadly I don't own the game anymore to check.
>> No. 226240
Uh no, it doesn't say anything like that at all. It also talks about "Reploid Wars" having gone on for centuries.

Certain people here seem really intent on trying to push "facts" on Ian as though the X series isn't full of contradicting info that no one cared to keep straight. It's like this fandom is full of people who've had their fanon in their minds for years and are desperate to get it printed in the comic.
>> No. 226241
I don't think anything like that is in there.

Someone's a grumpy motherfucker.
>> No. 226243
You have a low tolerance for "grumpiness" if you see something like that and your first instinct is "what a motherfucker!"
>> No. 226245
That's how fans are period. It's all a matter of well they can personally adjust to changes from the original source(or they own view of the "canon") before they snap.

The only real thing that Ian needs to know are the characters backgrounds, especially the Mavericks. Even if the main events happen within a few months of each other. Those are still large gaps of times that have to be filled with non-sigma related events.
>> No. 226246
Taking someone saying "I think it's in this manual" as an excuse to go on a mini-rant about people pushing things on Ian and trying to force their fanons as canons sounds like something one grumpy motherfucker would do to me.
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