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86560 No. 86560
Honestly, I would take a BAD END if it meant this series would just be over already.
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>> No. 86561
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I blame the fact that I like frogs that I enjoy this image.
>> No. 86562
the way they "died" is such a lackbuster. They have been taking explosions in the face for years and sasuke just got offed with one strike. I know kishi is just building some drama but it's still extremely shoehorned at the moment. God, poor hinata is a fucking farce now.
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>> No. 86576
>poor hinata is a fucking farce now
>implying that was not always the case

Seriously, though, I know the anime gave her a little actual competency, but in the manga? Nah bro.
>> No. 86577
When she slapped some sense into Naruto when he was about to bitch-out even worse than that hyperventilating scene that was pretty competent.

Plus this is Naruto, even legendary women ninja kind of suck.
>> No. 86578
Sigh. Another "misterious" threat.

Yeah, of course Kishi is building up a dramatic comeback, in a very shitty way. Like always.
But hey, at least it seems Sasuke was really honest about being reformed and not just waiting to betray everyone, and even being honest about wanting to be hokage. That sure is... something right there.

The most noteworthy thing to take from this whole chapter though, is that Kishimoto recently saw Elysium and liked it a lot, as seen here >>86561
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There's a simple explanation: They started off against an endless undead ninja army, but now that's only one dude and and their Ninjitsu is spread to thin where his is super concentrated.
>> No. 86588
Are Sakura and Karin still worthless and an insult to the honour of bitches & whores everywhere (Especially Karin)?
>> No. 86589
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>> No. 86590
This is the war that never ends.
It just goes on and on my friends.
Some ninjas started fighting it not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue fighting it forever just because . . .
This is the war that doesn't end.
Yes, it goes on and on my friend.
Some ninjas started fighting it not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue fighting it forever just because . . .
>> No. 86592
It's too bad Chiyo already died (err, turned to dandruff) because this would be the perfect opportunity for Gaara to use his chakra in combination with her Life-For-A-Life-Is-Totally-Equivalent-Exchange jutsu in exactly the same way Naruto did to save his life. Kishimoto loves that sort of parallel shit.

>They have been taking explosions in the face for years and sasuke just got offed with one strike.

Haven't you been paying attention? In the Naruto world, the heart is where the entire lifeforce rests. Hit it, and it results in instant death. Miss it, and any injury can be shrugged off. Kakashi could chidori someone in half and they wouldn't die, so he always aimed for the heart. Releasing the chakra gates everywhere in the body does no permanent harm; release the one in the heart and it's certain death. Remember how Kakuzu stole the lives of other ninja? By taking their hearts. Remember how he died? Naruto rasenshurikened his hearts. Obito survived having half his body (even half his HEAD! smashed by a boulder) because it was his right side; the heart is on the left side. The brain and other organs don't do anything. A ninja is composed of a sack of meat surrounding a heart, which produces the chakra.

I love ripping on the bad writing and plot holes in Naruto as much as anyone else, but at least here, it's consistent. Sasuke was stabbed in the heart — he's screwed. As for Naruto, they weren't lying when they said everyone who's had their bijuu removed has died, in one way or another.

Inb4 this is all an illusion. Either Obito trollcasted the Infinite Sharingan-whatever jutsu onto Madara before he died, or Sasuke used Izanami on him. That would probably upset me more than the two of them just coming back to life via the willpower of being important characters. Genjutsu is such a cop-out.

One final thing. How the HELL did he get the idea to suddenly make Zetsu a legitimate villain? It's beyond ridiculous. And he's still talking about poop during a life-and-death battle. Not to go off-topic, but the whole "inserting random elements of humor during scenes of high-tension" was basically the only thing I really hated about FullMetal Alchemist. I don't want to see it here, too. FMA has plenty of redeeming qualities that make me look past its flaws; Naruto doesn't.
>> No. 86594
>the whole "inserting random elements of humor during scenes of high-tension" was basically the only thing I really hated about FullMetal Alchemist
Agreed. I'd never read the manga, so the first FMA was my foray into the series and, while it had lighthearted moments, they didn't pop up in the middle of a very intense/serious event. Brotherhood took some time for me to get used to because it would, as it followed the series far closer. I still loved it, but the random chibi injection just irked me.

I'm way behind on Naruto, but that's because in part I only partake in the anime (which I'm like 40 episodes behind on). At least if the writing is shit, the action scenes tend to be good, so I'll treat it like a hack-and-slash and look for nothing with depth.
>> No. 86695
How many canon ways does this series have for bringing characters back to life anyway?
>> No. 86714


Well, there's the Edo Tensei, which is the Zombie Army thing. Well established and well abused.

There's the transferring of life energy that Chiyo did for Gaara. I'm actually pleased that it has only happened once.

There's the Rinne Rebirth thing that Pain used to resurrect everyone who died in Konoha, used again to force Obito to give Madara flesh and blood (he was already "alive").

There's Izanagi, which DESPITE being explained as a "genjutsu cast on oneself" is actually a full-on reality warping tool. It affects the state of the physical universe, not just someone's mind. Danzo just plain died, several times, and then that event was written out of reality like a reverse Death Note. Warping space/time to undo a death counts as resurrection, if you ask me.

I have NO IDEA what actually happened with Orochimaru coming back to life out of some Frankensteinian combination of Kabuto's flesh and Anko's curse seal, so I'm not sure how to classify it. It wasn't really explained. Technically speaking, combining his body and his chakra should only REALLY produce a clone. His "soul" should still be kicking it inside the endless genjutsu of Itachi's Susanoo along with Nagato. But for purposes of the story, he's exactly the same, so I guess it's another full resurrection.

That makes five ways that someone can come completely, functionally, permanently back to life from being completely, functionally, permanently dead.

Then there's a few that are close but not quite total rebirth from total death; they still — plot wise — fulfill a similar function.

First are the jutsu where someone appears to die, but does not. There's whatever Kisame did to switch places with Samehada, which I'm convinced was actually more of an advanced Substitution Jutsu; it's not that different from what Bee used to trick Sasuke/Akatsuki into thinking a severed tentacle was him. Other substitutions don't count because the apparent death didn't drag on for a long time period. Inside a genjutsu like Izanami, someone can come "back to life", but only from the perception of the person being affected by it, so I won't count it.

Then there are jutsu where someone avoids death by either fixing a critically damaged body or escaping said body right before death using supernormal means. Orochimaru's soul-swapping technique is the obvious one. Sasori transforming himself into a puppet arguably fits here. Tsunade's forehead seal is special and separate from normal medical jutsu because bring her back from certain-death; so is Karin's Masochist Jutsu. Then there's Obito being encased in a white Zetsu that enabled him to survive being crushed, as well as the chakra sustaining Madara long past his natural lifespan. Finally, Kakuzu and his multiple hearts that he can switch with.

Finally there are things that enable someone to come back to life for a short amount of time, in a limited capacity. The special chakra put into the Kyuubi's seal that allowed Naruto to temporarily meet his mother and father are in this category. So is whatever Kakashi's father did to make his spirit stick around so he could have a chat with Kakashi a decade later. The last one I can think of is that jutsu Dan used to talk to Tsunade, which was explained as enabling a newly-dead person to fly around as a physical ghost for a short time period.

I don't count puppets or the corpses used by Pain because they weren't alive to begin with. They can came "back to life", but only to the same degree as repairing a damaged machine.

All of those mean that the audience (and behind the fourth wall, usually everyone else) thinks that person is actually dead, and have been for a while, but they are not; or they are certain to die, but they don't; or they come back to life only partially or temporarily. Some are more ass-pull-ish than others.

There are probably some others I'm forgetting. However, one thing is clear: I know way too damn much about this series.
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>There's the transferring of life energy that Chiyo did for Gaara. I'm actually pleased that it has only happened once.


>> No. 86721
Appreciate the writeup.
>> No. 86722
>>Hinata sacrifices her life to bring Naruto back

>>He runs off and marries Sakura and becomes Hokage, never mentions Hinata again
>> No. 86754
Naruto is down because he had his Fox portion torn from him?

Does that mean he'll be recovered by having his dad give him the chunk he has or something
Hell the entire army has some so they could all just hugpile his corpse or whatever
>> No. 86884
>Naruto is down because he had his Fox portion torn from him?
>Does that mean he'll be recovered by having his dad give him the chunk he has

I didn't even think of that. Makes sense! In all honesty, this battle has become so fractured that I've forgotten completely who is where anymore, or even who is even alive or dead. I'd forgotten that the Fourth was even THERE AT ALL. I can't remember what the last thing was that he did. Both Tobirama and Sarutobi made an appearance in the last few chapters...

...and now I've realized that I have no idea where Hashirama is, either. This fucking manga has gotten so screwy lately.
>> No. 86925
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When will this series stop getting worse?

AKA when will this crap finally be over.
>> No. 86926
>> No. 86927

Oh my god, who the hell cares?
>> No. 86928
Clearly you do.
>> No. 86953
Not that guy, but it's kind of annoying seeing this thread getting bumped every week just to see people post the same old shit about how the terrible the series is for the millionth time. Same with the Bleach thread, although at least that series has something funny or interesting to talk about every once in a while.

/jam/ is slow enough that other threads getting pushed down isn't going to do terrible harm to them, but there's no point in constantly bringing this thread back to the top of the front page if all you're going to do is beat a dead horse.
>> No. 86957
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I gotta give the new chapter one thing: This was one of the gnarliest acts of medical ninjitsu we've seen seen in the series to date. Sakura keeps his blood pumping by cutting through his ribcage and squeezing his heart with her bare hands.
>> No. 86960

Agreed. That was a pretty badass scene for our ol' pink-haired medical ninja.
>> No. 86961
I remember seeing a couple of people going on about it being proof that Sakura will hook up with Naruto, because she's actually doing her thing for a change as a supposed medical ninja prodigy instead of being on the sidelines.

But then again that happens whenever two characters interact and people want to construe it as something in-particular I guess.
>> No. 86968
Wouldn't his lungs and ribs be getting in the way alot more with how she's sticking her hand in? I mean the chest cavity is a pretty tight place. It would make more sense if she was using a variant of Kabuto's chakra scalpel to massage his heart instead.
>> No. 86985
Agreed. Guess Sakura just never learned the best way to get to a man's heart (i.e. under the ribcage and then upwards).
>> No. 86986
>This was one of the gnarliest acts of medical ninjitsu we've seen seen in the series to date.

Neo did it first.

But all joking aside, I appreciate something that actually seems like a legitimate medical technique instead of what 99.99% of "medical ninjutsu" is, which is just applying chakra to the person's chest and presumably speeding up their own healing process or something. Medicine by osmosis?

Kishimoto's thought process:

Oh God, I can't stop the Naruto/Hinata shippers. It just won't end! How can I make them understand that I have decided it's going to be Naruto/Sakura?

Have Sakura give Naruto mouth-to-mouth and literally hold his heart in the palm of her hand? Is that too heavy on the symbolism...? Nah!
>> No. 86988
Uh... if he wanted to push N/S instead of N/H he should have done it by making Sakura the more likeable one and giving her all the positive scenes with Naruto he has given to Hinata instead of stuff like the 'False confession' scene?

Or maybe you are just joking, tone is hard to read in text.
Still if he really wants people to go for N/S he should stop with all the mixed messages like handholding on covers and whatnot.
>> No. 86999
The problem with all of that is that you assume Kishi can write.
>> No. 87018

As dumb and who-the-fuck-cares as the main action of the chapter was, that was indeed pretty awesome. Finally, Kishimoto gives medical ninjutsu some of the narrative importance his white knights insist he does while defending his gender politics.
>> No. 87023
Why does Kishimoto keep giving Madara new bullshit powers when he already admitted he has no idea how to have the heroes defeat him before it reached this point?

Fuck should have just had him die when he got kicked around like a cartoonish human-hackysack by all the tailed beasts at the same time.
>> No. 87034
I love how we've had like three "and this isn't even my final form!!" Scenes in this battle so far. Next step will have someone go so far down the path of "EXTREME POWER" it'll do a double reach around and they'll become some sort of Buddhist pacifist
>> No. 87038

I don't understand the whole "how are they going to defeat Madara?!" business. Doesn't everyone know that Naruto's just going to talk to him about nakama and the Will of Fire and all that other nonsense, and Madara will have a change of heart, like Naruto did with everyone else? It's his MO! It's like if Goku's ultimate attack was a Spirit Hug instead of a Spirit Bomb.

In any case, I'm very confused about Madara's motives. The whole "Infinite Genjutsu dreamworld" plan worked great with Obito. He wanted to live in a world where he and Kakashi were still buddies/rivals, Rin was still alive and his girlfriend, Minato was still alive, and everyone was happy and there was no war and yeah-this-guy-is-totally-a-dark-Naruto. But having that whole thing shoehorned onto Madara because he'd been revealed as the Bigger Bad behind Obito doesn't fit his personality. Madara isn't an idealistic dreamer; Madara is a pure warrior. All he wants to do is kick ass and enjoy the taste of his own blood mixing with that of his opponents. If he wanted a place where he could fight Hashirama for all of eternity, he could have just stuck with the both of them as immortal edo tensei zombies instead of all this other madness.
>> No. 87068
But...what exactly could Naruto say to make Madara throw in the towel (while at the same time using a Jutsu to revive EVERYONE thats died during the entire war, of course)?
>> No. 87111
Time travel.
>> No. 87115
Um, you mean he would literally say the words "time travel" and the very concept would blow Madara's crazy mind so wild that it would cause him to concede defeat?
>> No. 87116
That wasn't what I meant; however, at this point it seems as likely as anything.

Madara: "I will create a perfect future!"
Naruto, gasping: "Time Travel"
Madara: !
>MADARA instantly discovers and performs LOOP NO JUTSU, going to some point in the past to stop Hitler or something. This creates a new timeline where no one has died, Naruto is raised by his parents, the Uchiha clan is alive and well, and Ninjistu is practiced primarily as a form of entertainment (bringing together Hidden Villages every four years for the Olympics) or for use in the sciences. Life is quite peaceful since every Hidden Village is watched over by a voluntarily-allied Tailed Beast.

Not only does that solve the dilemma, it allows Kishi to coast on Shippuden for another decade as he can create new conflicts (maybe Hitler survived!)
>> No. 87121
>Ninjistu is practiced primarily as a form of entertainment (bringing together Hidden Villages every four years for the Olympics)

And here we have the young Sasuke Uchiha, prodigy from the Super Combined Katon. This is his first Olympics competing in the Sharingan and Chidori Slalom. His mentor, you'll remember, Kakashi, dominated this event a generation ago, but his time has long since passed.

That's right, but it was such a thrill to watch him back then! His movements were so good that they said he could slalom right around an actual bolt of lightning. Now let's take a closer look at the course that Sasuke will be starting on in just a few minutes. We start with a run down the stadium wall, very important to maintain chakra control for maximum traction. The competitor, maintaining a Chidori and with Sharingan activated the whole way, must then break apart the three ninja dolls while avoiding the sand traps here, and over there. Then it's a straight sprint across the finish.

You know, it's interesting to see Sasuke here. While already an Olympic-level competitor in the 500-meter Grand Fireball, he's a little bit of a rookie when it comes to the Sharingan disciplines. Observant fans will note that he still only has two tomoe per eye, which will limit his accuracy compared to some of these other competitors. Many think he should have just waited for the next Olympics to give his eyes more time to mature. This, especially because the puppeteers are making the movements of the ninja dolls particularly aggressive this time around.

And here's the shot... Sasuke is off! What a beautiful run so far; wow, he's just ripping down the wall, Chidori chirping away! He's got one doll, a little slow getting that second one, and... OH NO! He's gotten his hand stuck in the last sand-trap, the infamous Gaara trap! That can be a tricky one to avoid, especially coming toward that last doll. The crowd seems a bit disappointed, but again: this result wasn't a big surprise.

Well, it's alright. We're sure to see young Sasuke in this event next Olympics, and I bet he'll medal that time around. And just look at his little sister and parents cheering him from the sideline. What an inspiration!

Now, we're back to coverage of the Summoning events. It seems young Naruto Uzumaki has summoned another tadpole! My, that's an embarrassment! It seems he's taking it well, joking to the crowd and all, although I think he's going to get flattened by his mother if I remember her personality well enough.

You know, I've always wondered how he manages to compete at all. Sure, he's got Senju blood going waaaay back, but he always seems to collapse when it comes to the clutch. He's just not the hero type, really, and his best event certainly leans back toward something like the Sexy Halfpipe.

Right on the money, you are there. Sometimes, I think he might be a little better if he had some more chakra. Maybe if he had that big fellow, Kurama, to help him along.

A bijuu inside a human being? Now that's a laugh!

Finally tonight, we return to the real star of these games: Rock Lee! who is just a couple events away from sweeping the entire Taijutsu category once again, on the way to his record 126th Gold medal...
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Oh balls, this was actually funny.
>> No. 87126
Its not even been an hour since he died and his teammates are already making jokes about his death?
>> No. 87127
This is something that bugs me about a lot of anime and Manga. It's like Japanese writers in general don't understand what "tone" is. It's like in Fullmetal Alchemist, there'd be a tension filled emotionally charged scene, and someone would say something about Ed's height and he'd turn into a spazzing chibi, completely killing the mood. Then they try and flip fight back to that darker mood as soon as those few seconds of goofiness is over, and it doesn't fucking work! You can't maintain tension in a scene when you throw slapstick in the middle of it!

Mangakas! Please stop doing this!
>> No. 87128
>muh tone
>muh consistency
>muh autism

Just learn how to remove the stick out of your ass and appreciate a brief joke you uptight faggot.
>> No. 87129
That was rather unnecessarily harsh.
>> No. 87130
You're calling him an autist yet you seem to be the one sperging out for no reason. Settle down man.
>> No. 87131

Agreed completely. I don't mind mood whiplash if it's done in a certain way. But all those "Japanisms" like the chibification, nosebleeds, facefaults, giant sweatdrops, any stylistic alteration to the eyes, and the like completely demolish my suspension of disbelief. It's not so much as a tone shift as it is an art shift that bothers me.

>Its not even been an hour since he died and his teammates are already making jokes about his death?

They're child soldiers. They probably have PTSD and making jokes is their coping mechanism. Didn't like literally everyone's parents hanging out at the HQ just get nuked, too?

The really sad thing is that every character that isn't a major one now has so little screentime that they've been forced into flat, cardboard-cutout parodies of their base characterizations. Lee is "Power of Youth". Gai is "Power of Youth (But Getting Old)". TenTen is "Exasperated at Power of Youth". Last I saw Shikamaru he was "Gotta Think Up A Plan". Juugo is back to "I Love Kimimaro". He suspects that Orochimaru is back to "Gonna Steal Sasuke's Body". It's sad to see decent characters ignored and gone flat.
>> No. 87133
That's what happens when you creating a sprawling universe and cast but still insist on giving 90% of the focus to a single character who is both collapsing under his own power and is as interesting as a hollow brick.

It's the reason I gave up on Bleach, but for now the fighting in Naruto (anime) still entertains me enough to keep me watching.
>> No. 87281
Okay great, now stop taking about it and rip that guy's heart out.

Seriously, let's get this done. We spent months just dealing with Super Obito, are you really gonna subject us to ANOTHER Final Fantasy end boss?

Shit I know it took me a long time to beat Lavos but this is bananas.
>> No. 87282
Well the savior needs to be resurrected so we're not there yet.

Also Madara just explained Friendship No Jutsu.
>> No. 87388
Don't mind me, just gonna casually rummage inside your chest for a bit.
>> No. 87394
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Oh my fucking god
>> No. 87395
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But Hollywood, what will your fans say?!?
>> No. 87498
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woo Gai is finally going to kamikaze 8-gate style... I'm sure at some earlier point people would have given a shit...
>> No. 87499
Haha great way of putting it. Especially considering there are a limited number of possible outcomes knowing kishi: gai dies and is brought back to life via friendship, gai dies and everyone is immediately fine with it/forgot about it, gai gets to the 7th gate and ~something~ makes him stop
>> No. 87500

Yeah, given that he's doing it against the "big bad" that he can't win against for plot reasons, it feels like they are wasting his character rather than giving him a cool send-off with the 8th gate.
>> No. 87501
They should just let Guy kill himself through this and afterwards bring him back as a zombie, then he can do infinite eight open gate combat forever.
>> No. 87502

I'm betting that Lee and Gai can do some kind of ridiculous combo taijutsu where they both open the 7th Gate and then... something something, Power of Youth, something something, crashing waves and sunsets, something something, what do you mean this isn't pederasty, something happens.

But yeah, there's no point to him doing anything since it has to be Naruto who defeats Madara in the end. Besides that, back when it was introduced, back when this was actually a big deal, it was said unlocking the 8th Gate would temporarily give someone "the power of a Kage". Well, Madara trashed FIVE KAGE at the same time, without even trying, and that was two transformations ago. It's like saying someone in Dragonball could reach the "Power of Frieza", and then here's Goku already at Super Saiyan 3. Shiiiiit, man, you're a little behind the times.

I am glad Kabuto came back, though. He's a pretty cool guy, and the fact that he leveled himself up into a top contender and then got pwned because: "Lol, Sharingan Hax" really made me shake my head at the wasted potential. Again, however, besides reviving Sasuke with something something, this is SO homoerotic, something something, he can't actually do anything, either.

In fact, nobody can do anything, unless somebody is going to flip back to the "bad guys" side again. I'm betting on Orochimaru because... well, process of elimination. Literally everyone else (Sasuke and company, Kabuto, Obito) have already recently flipped to the good side, so they won't be doing it. Obviously the former Hokage won't.

I know this is just... totally ridiculous, but I wish it were Sakura. Completely out of fucking nowhere surprise, it would finally be time for her to shine on her own, her eventual death would have Naruto getting with Hinata make some amount of sense... and with the level of SHIT she's had to put up with from Naruto and Sasuke fighting/leaving/dying, it would make sense for her to want to retreat into a dreamworld.
>> No. 87507
Man, you want to talk tone. Consistency. Fuck everything this chapter is the fucking worst when it comes to that. It makes fuck all sense except for Guy.

You know. If Sasuke had never been in the fucking manga. It would have been way more generic but it wouldn't have been this much of a fucking travesty.
>> No. 87508
I wonder how the series would have progressed if the Sharingan stayed just being a REALLY GOOD eye that could detect the flow of chakra to an extent.

Man, remember when that back-to-back Typhoon Whatever + Water Dragon made Kakashi have to recover for like a week straight? Good times.
>> No. 87515
>You know. If Sasuke had never been in the fucking manga. It would have been way more generic but it wouldn't have been this much of a fucking travesty.

The Sharingan (and it's apparent evolution, Rinnegan) being ridiculously hax and both Naruto and Sakura being whiny and obsessive over Sasuke are two of the biggest gripes most people have about the series.

If you remove Sasuke, everything gets better. The series probably would have ended after the Pain Arc, which makes the most sense. Naruto surpasses his teachers, becomes a Legendary Sage, avenges Jiraiya, saves his village single-handedly, briefly meets his father, and finally gains the admiration and love of everyone in Konoha JUST LIKE HE HAD ALWAYS WANTED! He realizes that he doesn't have to become Hokage to reach his goals, and finally falls for Hinata after seeing how she sacrifices herself out of love for him.

They get married, Konohamaru is the Best Man because it would be HILARIOUS, and Sakura is the flower girl because why not. At the end of the ceremony, when Naruto and Hinata are about to kiss, Naruto somehow trips and falls flat on his face. Everyone laughs, fade to black, roll credits.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Kishimoto had the entire manga planned out up to that point, and then when his editors made him shoe Sasuke into the manga, it messed with everything. That's why Sasuke got Put On A Bus after Part 1 and doesn't figure into the plot much. After the Pain Arc he just went, "Screw it" and started writing everything by the seat of his pants. That would explain why the War Arc has been such a muddled, confusing mess. It would also explain why, generally, everything related to Sasuke is the same.

This all makes me sort of want to rewrite all of Naruto to remove Sasuke and the Uchiha in general. Just to see what happens; it works better than you'd think. Sakura ends up being the one stabbed full of needles by Haku, which makes Naruto tap into the Kyuubi chakra for the first time, and it also starts RIGHT OFF making her more badass. Orochimaru is after Naruto instead of Sasuke, because he's a member of Akatsuki and collecting Bijuu is kinda what they DO (he wouldn't have left them because no Itachi). He gives the curse mark to Naruto, which makes it so he can't use his chakra effectively later on (instead of having his seal re-sealed). Naruto fights Gaara in the Chuunin exams, and everything then goes about the same. Naruto and Jiraiya go off to find Tsunade; no change there. All the fights between Shikamaru's team and the Sound Five would have gone exactly the same without the Barrel-O'-Sasuke involved (just have them generally chasing Orochimaru). Meanwhile, the final fight is between Naruto and Orochimaru. It seems like it could be the end of the manga if he wins, but of course Naruto gets his ass handed to him. Orochimaru, who has just transferred himself into a new body, lets Naruto live on the assumption that he'll be his next body in three years. It's then that he decides to leave Akatsuki, because he wants Naruto's body for his own instead of letting them kill him by extracting the Kyuubi. This introduces the Akatsuki; cue Part 2.

*sigh* I don't know why I spend so much time thinking about these sorts of things. I guess I'm just disappointed because Naruto had so much potential, and started out so well, and then just shitted all over it.
>> No. 87516
I think the Kyuubi is the weirdest thing to me about all this.

He's just...such a nice guy it makes everything involving him in the past look like utter nonsense.

I mean, he...still killed like a ton of people didn't he?
>> No. 87517

Well yes, but since when has that stopped anyone from befriending Naruto and becoming a cool guy?

See also: Gaara.
>> No. 87532
Well it is just the good half of him sealed inside Naruto.
>> No. 87545
>I mean, he...still killed like a ton of people didn't he?

I thought they retconned the whole attack on Konoha as that he was being controlled by Madara (err... Obito) through Sharingan genjutsu or something.
>> No. 87626
...they've reconned it so that Gai couldn't use ninjutsu or genjutsu either?
>> No. 87637
>> No. 87638
He just punched the air REALLY DAMN HARD until a turtle appeared
>> No. 87647

I haven't liked Naruto in a really long time but this was baller
>> No. 87649
He probably grew out of it.
>> No. 87653
Its getting a bit ridiculous/contrived/uncreative that all teachers and students have to be near-clones of each other in every way.
>> No. 87756
Gai gives it his all; the attack is stunning! Madara is afraid! He says that he'll be in big trouble if he's hit a few times, and even more so if Gai's fist connects, and Gai gets in five hits, the fifth with his actual fist! Yes! AND MADARA IS DOWN!!

Oh, wait... no. Madara is back up. He's just gotten a little more excited about the fight.

For all those who actually expected Gai to do jack shit. Sorry.

>> No. 87764

Essentially, this chapter does exactly what I was hoping they'd do with the big boss fight at the beginning: You have multiple people all using their own special techniques working as a team to land several punishing blows on the big bad.

However, because we all know it has to be Naruto to beat the big bad, it was all pointless in the end. Dammit, Kishi.
>> No. 87845
Have... Have we been reading The Matrix all this time?
>> No. 87846
because if there's one thing Naruto needed, it's more characters and naruto himself being made even more super special.
>> No. 87848
Hmm? Whats the deal with the latest chapter?
>> No. 87850
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>> No. 87851
I can not believe he has the gall to use a reincarnation gimmick.
>> No. 87853
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So "Naruto Z" sequel series when?

Or would this be closer to Naruto GT?
>> No. 87855
Wait, did it end?
>> No. 87857
No, thats not the joke being made, read the chapter and think of what the difference was between DB and DBZ
>> No. 87859
But don't you get it? Naruto was never special! He's the good for nothing drop out dude who could never do anything by himself!
Except gathering the entire world behind him worshipping him as their lord and savior!
Not only that but he's the reincarnation of the other dude that was a useless drop out messiah too!
Also his grand grand [...] grand pa was an alien!

Naruto is totally an underdog dude, the author said it.
>> No. 87861
>Its getting a bit ridiculous/contrived/uncreative that all teachers and students have to be near-clones of each other in every way.

That's because they're all reincarnations! Even the ones who aren't yet dead, are actually already dead and already reincarnated into their students who are also dead but not dead.

See, the Naruto universe that we've been experiencing since chapter one is Naruto's own personal Instrumentality. It's a universe of metaphysical solipsism, and he is the only being that actually exists. Everyone else is just shades of himself, pieces of himself, traveled through time and space, simultaneously dead and alive and nonexistent. Everyone is Naruto.

In fact, probably, all of us are Naruto, too.
>> No. 87864
It would have been pretty funny if Naruto turned out the be the reincarnation of some worthless loser instead of ninja jesus #1.

So many things about Naruto put it, like, a single step away from being the most hilarious gag-battle manga ever.
>> No. 87865
So sasuke = older brother, naruto = younger brother. Neat I guess?

Also why on earth are they introducing new characters and new lore now? So late in the game? I'm not even annoyed anymore, just confused
>> No. 87881
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>> No. 87884
I know it's fake, bit Naruto and Sasuke's final forms?
>> No. 87885
I don't think that's fake being as one of those is an actual character, the no plus eye is Madara Obito or something no one cares.
>> No. 88030
So are Naruto and Sasuke both Ninja-Jesus now?
>> No. 88032
I seriously laughed out loud when Guy was like "This isn't working, I better use my other other super secret final technique!"

Guy. Buddy. Sweetheart. You've already dedicated yourself to a technique that's GOING TO KILL YOU in the next minute or two. What possible fucking reason could you have in this situation to still be holding anything back? The clocks ticking buddy, lead in with that shit.

And Kishi, Buddy, sweetheart. I know you're trying to build some kind of excitement and tension with this Guy fight... But that's kind of tough when we, as an audience, are already well aware, what with is also going on in the narrative with Sasuke and Naruto, that anything Guy does is completely pointless and bound to fail. Showing us this fight has literally no purpose whatsoever other than to waste time.
>> No. 88046

Ah, but you don't understand. This is the part where Gai shows off his secret knowledge of the NINTH Gate, the Gate of Perma-Death. Opening of that Gate will kill you so thoroughly, that you can't even be brought back to life even by the various techniques discussed here: >>86714 and will also vaporize your body, so your beautiful student that you love (in a totally non-pederast way) won't even have a grave site to mourn at.

Also, the manga suddenly got really WEIRD. What with this reincarnation and Ninja Jesus and the Sage of Six Paths floating around hammerspace, immortal, talking to Naruto and— WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU JUST COME FROM, SASUKE?! GET OUT OF NARUTO'S MIND, YOU PERVERT BITCH! I mean, seriously, Kishimoto snorted something pretty fresh to start coming up with this sort of thing. It's even worse than humanity getting chakra from the freaking Forbidden Apple.

Also, I get the feeling the Sage is more like Naruto than he thinks he is, in a total bumbling dumbass sort of way. He wrote down instructions on how to gain the ultimate power and then hoped it would serve a warning to not try to gain the ultimate power. Oh, gee, guys, here's the plans for how to build a nuclear bomb; but don't ACTUALLY build one! It's just my way of trying to convince you that nuclear weapons are dangerous and shouldn't be built. Hey... why are you building nuclear bombs...?
>> No. 88048
i wonder if candlejack will ever make a post in naruto general that doesn't involve pedophilia
maybe one day
>> No. 88112

I wonder if Slowpoke will ever stop stalking CJ like he's in love with him and posting derailing, tsundere nonsense wherever he might have been.
Maybe one day.
>> No. 88122
Wait so this is real?

And I guess its Sasuke and Naruto getting their new power ups?
>> No. 88135
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oh god
>> No. 88146
>Wait so this is real?

No, it's not. There isn't some secret organization that has access to manga chapters before they're released in Japan. They're released the same day they're available as scanlations, just maybe a few hours earlier. Anytime you see "leaked" images before Wednesday, it's fake bullshit.

As for what isn't fake:

So I guess Naruto has ALL THE HAX, seeing how he can apparently bring Gai back to life (I'll admit, for a moment, I actually thought Gai was really going to die — you got me, Kishi, you little bastard!). Also, the fuck is with Madara? Why can he literally regenerate?? He's not a zombie anymore. Does having the power of the Sage just... let you make any and all natural laws your bitch? From the way Naruto said that he feels he can "change everything", I get that impression. So, what's this fight between him, Naruto, and Sasuke going to be like if rules don't follow? All three are now essentially Ninja Jesus, with access to unlimited chakra and the ability to shrug off any injury. Are they to be three immortals locked in an epic battle until Judgment Day and trumpets sound, to quote Barbossa? Man, I am so ready for this manga to be over.
>> No. 88147

Actually there is a secret organization that has access to manga chapters before they're released in Japan (sorta)! It's thanks to them that we get chapters days before their official release. This week's issue of jump is actually the one that's going to be released next week!

That's why spoiler providers and people that scan the manga are arrested sometimes.
>> No. 88150
Which means of course that the leak providers are people who work AT the manga companies themselves, and are therefore essentially involved in corporate espionage. Which is the real reason they get arrested for it.
>> No. 88154

Sometimes it's people working at retailers. They get the copies before the street date (although obviously not this early).

Those people don't usually get arrested, though. Just fired.
>> No. 88156

I think I've heard of some smaller stores getting shut down over constantly breaking street dates for stuff like this but maybe those were just rumors.

>> No. 88157
>> No. 88216
Naruto just reached a whole new level of awful stupid bullshit
>> No. 88238

Seriously. Naruto is literally ninja Jesus now.
>> No. 88242
Kishimoto over the last 30 chapters:

"Crap, I made Madara too strong. I'll have to give Naruto a new transformation.

Damn, I made Naruto too strong, I'll have to give Madara a new transformation.

Crap, I made Madara WAY too strong, I'll have to give BOTH Naruto and Sasuke a transformation.

...On second though, I think they're too strong. Better give Madara another transformation."

Hey, Goku, you at Super Saiyan 12 yet?
>> No. 88243
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Close enough.
>> No. 88245
At that rate I'd expect him to just deus ex all chakra and they wind up just start beating the shit out of each other.

And then Rock Lee appears.
>> No. 88246
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The writing and needless power level escalation is so bad that I feel pain deep inside just from looking at it, this is really the worst.

And they've been fighting the battle with this cunt for years now to boot.
>> No. 88248
In a different world if this Naruto powerup wasn't what it was and the whole Sasuke thing didn't go down the way it did this would be hype.

Unfortunately this is the world we live in.
>> No. 88249
The absolute worst is that he had the gall relatively recently to pretend that this series is still about a plucky kid who overcomes adversity through hard work. And then gives Naruto (and Sasuke) godlike powers for no reason other than who they're descended from.
>> No. 88251
I thought it was reincarnation rather than descent?

(it's still shit either way.)
>> No. 88252

It's both, at least on Sasuke's side (I'm pretty sure on Naruto's too).

And even if it wasn't: what the FUCK ever.
>> No. 88310
I've actually been wondering. When is it going to be Lee's time to shine? Literally every major character has exceeded their "sensei" in terms of power. With that, Lee might be able to exceed Gai's strength when he opened the Eighth Gate, without doing it himself.

It would be funny as shit if Madara and Naruto and Sasuke fought to a standstill, and then here comes Lee and just Leaf Hurricanes Madara's head right off his shoulders after opening the Seventh Gate.
>> No. 88312

But Lee has his own manga, anon.
>> No. 88317
Kishimoto's really outdone himself in terms of coming up with a power he has no idea how to visually express. I can't make heads or fucking tails of anything Madara did this chapter.

Also what the fuck, wasn't Kakashi hanging out in the storage dimension with Obito? I don't remembering him going back. Why would he go back? That's pretty much the stupidest thing he could do.
>> No. 88318
Fight's happening in two dimensions.

Madara and Shadow Madara are fighting at pretty much the same time.

Sasuke can see and fight one, Naruto is fighting the other.

It's an interesting idea, but poorly presented.
>> No. 88320
That sounds like a Jojo fight.
>> No. 88321

>> No. 88322
Too bad the writing is complete shit and happens to include more asspulls than even a Jojo fight.
>> No. 88324

It's like a Jojo fight if Araki completely forgot both how to draw and how to convey weird and esoteric powers to the reader.

So basically it's nothing like a Jojo fight.
>> No. 88326
Well I mean I'm not defending Kishimoto or anything. I actually managed to finally break off of Bleach and Naruto when I just failed to catch up on the Big 3 for like, 6 weeks straight.

It's liberating.
>> No. 88329
Kakashi never went to the other dimension with obito. He only used his magenkyo on Obito to make him space out twice as fast but stayed behind as a result, then he got targeted by Madara but Minato saved him.

But there's no discrepancy there.
>> No. 88330
Honestly, any connection to the Naruto universe that has been established has been tossed out the proverbial window. Kishimoto has gotten supremely lazy; he's just making up new shit every single week with absolutely no sense or precedent involved. It's disgusting and stupid.

I'm about the levy the worst insult I can possibly come up with: Naruto has become Bleach.
>> No. 88336
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Worse, it's Bleach without the tits.
>> No. 88337

Yeah, looking back at that scene I either misread it or misremembered it or something. For some reason I thought they each sent each other to the storage dimension.

Still, it's pretty dumb of Kakashi to not send himself there as soon as Madara was busy fighting someone else. Keeping Madara away from that Rinnegan has to be priority one, and since Kakashi himself is the onl;y way to get into the storage dimension with Obito gone...
>> No. 88338
Naruto gets plenty of tits, they just don't get the screen time because Ninja Jesus needs all of it.
>> No. 88340
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If they ain't on the screen, they don't count Autony! THEY DON'T COUNT!

Naruto hasn't even given us a decent sexy no jutsu in years! What happened, Kishi.
>> No. 88352
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May the ride never end.
>> No. 88393
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>> No. 88447
OH MAN THAT IS BAD, This is the most I ever laughed at Naruto.

In the new chapter they try to tie everything back into the start by comparing character growth and IT'S SO TERRIBLE since Naruto is the only one whose character has actually developed, FUCKSAKE with his uberhax healing he just eliminated Sakura's only useful ability while they point out her entire character is still about loving Sasuke while BEING CONFUSED WHAT SASUKE EVEN WANTS OR IS DOING NOW and then they are just like TEAM 7 FUCK YEAH it's SO EMBARRASSING TO THE ORIGINAL CHAPTERS TO TRY AND LINK THEM
>> No. 88452
Madara went full Aizen this chapter.
>> No. 88454
So... they are showing off just how hollow Sakura's shallow crush on/obsession with Sasuke is while at the same time trying to portray it as admirable love?

And Sakura being useless is no surprise, even if its at healing instead of fighting now.
>> No. 88457
God dammit Sakura. You had one job. One job! Literally all you had to do was stab an unresisting man in the eye. While he was asking you to do it! And you had a fucking eternity to do it in while Madara was fucking around with Naruto and Sasuke in the real world!

If there's one thing I'm utterly sick of in this manga, it's Kishimoto shitting on Sakura. After making her sort of useful post-timeskip he's gone back to infantilizing her and making her more intensely incompetent than ever.

So bad. So unbelievably bad.
>> No. 88471
i try pretty hard to like new naruto.
i do.
i ain't that good at it though.
>> No. 88497
Forcing yourself to like things that are awful is a bad way to be.
Its like the beaten spouse mindset, you keep dragging yourself back thinking "Kishi can change..." and "It can be good again like things used to be..." but its not going to get better, he's just going to keep doing it to you until you have the strength to walk away.
>> No. 88498
I still read this and Bleach because after more than ten years I just want to get to the end of it. I've realized they were bad for so long but I just can't stop.
>> No. 88545
You know. As bullshit as bleach is at least I like the characters. I want it to end and it's a bunch of bullshit because of the villains but at least I like the characters. I can't stand any main character in Naruto and most of the side characters are terrible or have no screen time.

ALso, the Jagan Eye. I was waiting for this to come in sooner.
>> No. 88546
Ichigo is also an awful main character who received pointless power up after power up for no reason other than he still happens to be the "main character"
>> No. 88547
Eh. He's likable enough but honestly the captains feel just as important and tend to get screen time except when he has to beat the boss for whatever reason. I do miss when it was before the SS though. Also, I have to say it doesn't blatantly crib shit like naruto does from Yu Yu Hakusho.
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